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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"The real narrative peeks out in BBC reporting about 5 mins into the blubbing about "…"

Joe replied Sep 11, 2017 to Message to Muslims: Get Out

21 May 25, 2018
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"I've been predicting for some time that the terrorists would move north and start at…"

Joe replied May 6, 2015 to Thailand: Fascists murder 5000 since 2004 in takeover of South

3 May 6, 2015
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"I have long expected the muslims of southern Thailand would move their campaign of t…"

Joe replied Apr 11, 2015 to Lessons From the Thai Jihad

8 Apr 11, 2015
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"I'm confused.The woman looks oriental.  So that makes it unlikely to be ISIS.I make…"

Joe replied Aug 31, 2014 to Warning Graphic, Hate Site against Thai Buddists

2 Aug 31, 2014
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"Sharia law to be introduced into southern Thailand. http://www.radioaustralia.net.au…"

Joe replied Jun 18, 2013 to Lessons From the Thai Jihad

8 Apr 11, 2015
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"Five of the those killed were Buddhists and one Muslim. Considering that 85% of the…"

Joe replied May 3, 2013 to Thailand: Buddhists leave South as Fascists use terror campaign to create Islamic enclave

4 May 3, 2013
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"Here's one of the reader comments on that "story". We seem to have truly arrived at…"

Joe replied Mar 26, 2013 to The Independent: "secret" (?) war in Thailand's deep south

1 Mar 26, 2013
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"People live inside narratives.  Some of the narratives are huge ("I'm going to be a…"

Joe replied Feb 19, 2013 to Thailand: 50 More Terrorist Attacks by BRN/PULO Fascists

5 Feb 20, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake

"Un-be-liev-able. Straight out of 1984.  The norm is that they are collectively silen…"

Joe replied Feb 14, 2013 to Lessons From the Thai Jihad

8 Apr 11, 2015
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"What you describe has almost happened.  In the last 8 years, 85% of the buddhists fr…"

Joe replied Feb 13, 2013 to Lessons From the Thai Jihad

8 Apr 11, 2015
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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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