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How bad must life be in Bangladesh for people to become illegal immigrants in Burma?  What else is going on in this area to make buddhists behave so violently and illegally?  Despite all that is going on in southern Thailand, the ordinary buddhists there don't appear to have taken the law into their own hands, and gone on a tit-for-tat killing spree against the muslims and the jihadis.  

The backdrop to such wide unrest in Burma (enough to prompt a state of emergency) sounds like it is a case of long-term bad behaviour from the muslims.  Or perhaps it is a case that the Burmese buddhists have been waiting for an opportunity to do something about the influx of muslim immigrants.  Nevertheless, the contrast with Thailand is stark.

Riot-hit western Burma province in state of emergency

A spate of violence involving Buddhists and Muslims has left seven people dead and hundreds of properties damaged.

Trouble flared after the murder of a Buddhist woman last month, followed by an attack on a bus carrying Muslims.

Officials announced a curfew in four towns in the state earlier, expressing concerns about further clashes.

A state of emergency essentially allows the military to take over administrative control of the region.

State television said the order was in response to increasing "unrest and terrorist attacks" and "intended to restore security and stability to the people immediately".

President Thein Sein said the violence could put the country's moves towards democracy in danger.

"If we put racial and religious issues at the forefront, if we put the never-ending hatred, desire for revenge and anarchic actions at the forefront, and if we continue to retaliate and terrorise and kill each other, there's a danger that (the troubles) could multiply and move beyond Rakhine," he said.

"If this happens, the general public should be aware that the country's stability and peace, democratisation process and development, which are only in transition right now, could be severely affected and much would be lost."

A nominally civilian government was elected in 2010 and, in April this year, opposition politicians led by Aung San Suu Kyi entered Burma's parliament following historic by-elections.


However, the government is still dominated by the military and concerns over political repression and human rights abuses continue.

The violence began on 4 June when a mob attacked a bus in Taungup, Rakhine province, apparently mistakenly believing some of the passengers were responsible for the earlier rape and murder of a Buddhist woman.

The suspected perpetrators were later arrested in the town of Ramree in the far south of the province and are now on trial.

Ten Muslims died in the attack, which led to rioting in Maung Daw and Buthidaung townships on Friday and attacks on Buddhist properties.

According to state media, the rioting left at least seven people dead and 17 wounded.

Rakhine state is named for the ethnic Rakhine Buddhist majority but also has a sizeable Muslim population, including the Rohingya minority.

The Rohingya are a Muslim ethnic group and are stateless, as Burma considers them to be illegal immigrants from neighbouring Bangladesh.

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How would you expect muslims in Britain to respond to this story?  They'd say that muslims were the victims.

Nine Muslims were killed on a bus in the Rakhine province, Myanmar. A crowd attacked this bus, which was allegedly done by Buddhists as a form of revenge, due to a Buddhist girl being violated by a Muslim gang. An investigation is taking place and arrests have yet to be made.

Why are these Buddhists not referred to as terrorists? Had it been Muslims retaliating in Palestine, Afghanistan or Iraq, they most certainly would have been called terrorists, radicals, extremists, fanatics and every other unholy definition as per the RAND report. 

So it is clear that Muslims are being attacked left, right and centre in the world for their faith. These social tensions in Myanmar were not born yesterday which can be said for all anti-Muslim tensions in the world. Surely, the Imams should start to react towards this horrendous violent attitude, which has now become tolerable towards Muslims?

Sadly, reality shows the contrary. The Imams would rather spend forty minutes on a khutbah talking about why we should say “Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu” (may peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you), or why every Muslim should have a name which is not like George. If you are lucky enough (sarcasm alert), they’ll talk about how we should respond if a Christian or a Jew says “Assalamu alaykum” (peace be to you). I mean no offence here, but seriously, have the Imams thought about the issues that are actually impacting the Ummah now, or do they seriously think in non-Arabic speaking countries such as the UK, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy etc. a Christian or a Jewish person giving the greeting of assalaam has high certainty and therefore, an issue worth bringing up?

The burden is on the youth of this generation to revive and change the Mosques, which have turned into black holes. Some Muslims that often go to Mosques tend to get mentally destroyed, the way black holes destroy anything that goes into them. Black holes also have a strong sense of gravity, which is an attractive force; in exactly the same way, Muslims continue to uphold our destructive institutions due to the gravitational force they feel towards the Mosque. 

Education is our passport to freedom and it is for this reason Allah puts forth a rhetorical question in the Quran 39:9

There is nothing to suggest that MPAC have any access to reportage we have not seen on this story.

The story from the BBC reports that a buddhist woman was raped and murdered.  According to MPAC rape + murder = "violated".

Both the BBC report and the Independent report refer to "terrorists", but MPAC are blind to that. Although, interestingly the Independent quotes people saying that the "terrorists" were muslims, surely not what MPAC wants to hear.

Muslims see themselves as the eternal victims, as they are lording it up over others.

The writer notes the long-standing problems between muslims and buddhists in Burma, and notes that it is a global and historical problem.  Of course, he must believe it was the buddhists who invaded muslim lands, raping and pillaging.  The sense of victimhood and paranoia of muslamics is palpable in this diatribe.  He's got a classic case of islamitis - definitely a candidate for de-programming.

It's hard to know what MPAC is.  It's clear from this screed that the writer thinks that the imams are too calming an influence.  The writer refers to "the Ummah" and quotes from the koran, so in one sense is writing in the context of a muslim.  But he seems to be rejecting the religious interpretation of islam, and instead seeing muslims as a global political identity - and the mosques as a potential command and control centre are clearly something he'd like to have within his control.  It seems to me that an organisation like MPAC has the potential to be a UK version of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Despite the attempt by MPACUK to act as if it was islamofauxbia that led to the riots and state of emergency in Burma, it now transpires that muslims were indeed guilty of the whole thing.  And whilst the so-called "caring professionals" in Britain have ignored the systematic grooming & rape of working-class girls, the peaceful buddhists in Burma were not going to take such muslim aggression lying down.

Three men given death sentence for murder that sparked riots

The three Muslim men accused of raping and killing Thida Htwe – the Arakanese girl whose death sparked sectarian violence across Burma’s Arakan state this month – were sentenced to death by the District Court in Kyaukphyu in western Burma on Monday, according to lawyers.

Htet Htet (also known as Rawshe), Mahmud Rawphi (aka Hla Win) and Khochi (aka Myint Swe) were found guilty of raping, murdering and robbing Thida Htwe from Thabyaychaung village in Ramee Township on her way home from a sewing lesson on 28 May 2012.

Lawyers said the court heard testimonies from eight people, including Thida Htwe’s brother, in a trial that lasted less than two weeks. Htet Htet, accused of masterminding the plot, committed suicide in jail last week, but was handed the sentence posthumously in accordance with Burmese criminal law.

Thida Htwe’s controversial death unleashed long-simmering religious and ethnic tensions in Burma’s westernmost Arakan state this month, starting with the violent murder of ten Muslim pilgrims by an angry mob in the state capital Sittwe. It culminated in the country’s worst sectarian riots in decades, which has left at least 50 people dead, thousands of homes destroyed and more than 32,000 people displaced.

The violence has also thrown a spotlight on the plight of the stateless minority group, the Rohingya, who are denied citizenship by the Burmese government and widely despised within Burmese society. Analysts say the riots represented a “symptom” of festering tensions and a state-sponsored policy of discrimination.

The verdict has brought mixed reactions in line with the increasingly polarised debate on the ongoing violence. Ba Shein, People’s Parliament representative in Kyaukphyu township commended the police force for its quick work.

“It is lucky to have this case solved in such a short period of time otherwise there would be other unwanted problems. They managed to arrest the culprits, seize evidence and hear witness accounts within about 10 days after the crime was committed – I would congratulate the police force their hard work.”

Many social media commentators have again responded to the verdict by lashing out against the Rohingya.

Meanwhile, human rights groups have expressed concern about both the speed and the legitimacy of the trial. “We condemn the imposition of the death penalty in all cases as cruel and inhumane treatment,” Phil Robertson, head of Human Rights Watch Asia division told DVB. “But we’ve also had no access to information about this case so there is no way to say whether the three men on trial are in fact guilty.”

“My concern would be whether there was any kind of proper judicial system,” added Chris Lewa, Director of the Arakan Project. “This was quite quick, so it seems like a move to try to calm the Rakhine population.”

She warned that the ruling might spark further unrest in Northern Arakan state, where reports are surfacing of mass arrests of young Rohingya men by state authorities since the fighting ebbed off on Friday.

“There is no longer communal violence in Maungdaw, this is state sponsored violence,” she said. “The situation has gotten really bad. The army and NaSaka have been conducting mass arrest of young Rohingya males. Some people have seen them transported in trucks in handcuffs and blindfolded and the worst is that no one knows why.”

She added that hundreds of young men have been trying to cross the border to Bangladesh, but most are being turned away. The Bangladeshi government continues to block refugees from fleeing the violence in Northern Arakan state, despite growing international pressure to let them in.

The sectarian violence has become a crucial litmus test for President Thein Sein’s reformist government. Last week, democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi underscored the need for “rule of law” to address the violence, but faces accusations of sidestepping the Rohingya issue.

Robertson said that those involved in the mob attack that left ten Muslims dead in early June must also be brought to justice by authorities in order to avoid accusations of double standards.

The two sentenced men have seven days to appeal the ruling, but the case still needs to be presented to the Supreme Court for a final decision.

Burmese Buddhist monks call for muslims to be shunned -at least they've got the right idea ;


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