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Comment by Anti-Jihadist:
Speaking of islands in Southeast Asia...
Last time I was in Thailand, I went to Phuket, a large island off the coast of SW Thailand in the Indian Ocean. Phuket, a beautiful island, is the centerpiece of Thailand's huge tourist industry. And the center of Phuket is an area called Patong Beach. Think Vegas and Hawaii, crammed together in one place, along a 3 km stretch of white sandy beach. That's Patong, a sprawl of discos, clubs, bars, seedy hotels, and any other dive you can imagine...and maybe some you can't. Any sort of indulgence, sin, or temptation that people want or money can buy, is there in Patong. And yes, the beach is lovely too, and the scenery is exotic and gorgeous. It's a nice place, if you can get there, and if you're so inclined to enjoy its, um, attractions. European tourists seem particularly drawn to its decadence. Patong was serious damaged in the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami (and dozens died there), but was almost entirely rebuilt within 12 months.

Anyways, what I noticed when I went to Patong in 2006, smack in the middle of the bars, the kathoeys and the cheap touristy trinket shops, was a gigantic mosque under construction. It must have covered an entire US-sized city block. It was about as out of place there in Patong as a Southern Baptist church would be on the Vegas strip. It just didn't belong there at all, and I was horrified.

I'm sure the mosque has since been completed, no doubt thanks to continued infusions of Gulf oil money (the few Muslims already there in Thailand could never afford such extravagance mosques).

There, on a beautiful beach in Thailand, the Muslims have secured themselves a beachhead. Think of it as the Green Inkblot strategy. And it's working. What can we do to stop such advances, in such faraway places?

It's trying to answer questions like that, that bring me here to this site.

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Thailand: Jihadists Behead Three (3) People This Week, Bringing Their Total to 37
Saturday, February 28, 2009
Hello all of you with your heads in the sand again (Thanks to Probably coming soon to a venue near you, unless things change..............anything in the Qur'an is A-OK to do.

Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks..." Qur'an 47:4
They just want Sharia -- as always.

"Thailand: More beheadings in troubled Muslim south," from AKI, February 26:Narathiwat, 26 Feb. (AKI) - Suspected Islamist rebels have decapitated three people in Thailand's Muslim dominated south in the past week, police said on Thursday.

Three people were killed late on Wednesday in the southern Thai province of Narathiwat , and one of the victims was decapitated, police said.

Forty-seven people, often soldiers, have been beheaded in Thailand's three Muslim-majority provinces of Yala, Narathiwat and Pattani since 2004. An estimated 3,300 people have been killed in the conflict.

Experts say the region's Islamic schools or 'pondok' are fomenting the Islamist rebellion.

Demands by Thai Muslims include the introduction of Islamic law and making ethnic Pattani Malay (Yawi) a working language in the region. They also want an improvement in the local economy and education system....

The Thailand Jihad - Photographic Evidence from

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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