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Kuffarphobia in Canada

To fight for the 4 Freedoms in Canada

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Free Speech being strangled in Canada

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Feb 27, 2017. 3 Replies

Even school lies

Started by Herman Van Keer Jan 22, 2016. 0 Replies

no hijab with the RCMP

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 18, 2016. 3 Replies

apologists for islamic rape

Started by Herman Van Keer Jan 17, 2016. 0 Replies

Tarek Fatah and Muslim Deception

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Joe Nov 29, 2014. 1 Reply

Honor Horror Trial Opens in Canada

Started by kim Israela. Last reply by paul collings Oct 9, 2013. 2 Replies

The Liberals are the the liberals

Started by paul collings. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 13, 2012. 1 Reply


Started by Dag Walker. Last reply by morgan Sep 23, 2010. 4 Replies

History of the Jihad against Canada (2001 - Ongoing)

Started by Charles Martel. Last reply by John Q. Public Dec 17, 2009. 3 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on February 3, 2019 at 0:26
  • It has become a tyranny of minorities

Yes, which has happened by allowing the reversion to tribalism, by allowing society to be divided up onto different identity groups. Now that the damage is done and tribalism is firmly embedded in our so-called 'secular, egalitarian democracy',  I think the only way out is for everyone to join their own tribal groups, yes, even men, even white people!  All those who don't are just sitting targets for those that do, and will have their rights stripped away inch by inch till there is nothing left - just look at white farmers in South Africa, or the illegal land grabs in Hermanus:

  • The only way to save the planet is to halt the growth of its human population

Yes; talk about the elephant in the room. Muslims, that the Leftists and Liberals love so much, are the most environmentally threatening group on the planet, precisely because of their system promoting large numbers of offspring (via having 4 wives, etc).  Add to that their record at looking after countries in the Middle East that used to be thick forests (Lebanon) or lush grasslands (Jordan), and you have a marriage made in hell between them and the Greens.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 1, 2019 at 14:58

It has become a tyranny of minorities, at least in developed countries. Like most of what has happened and changed in recent years, it is impossible to understand how things could have come to this. The majority it seems just put up with it without protest, having been morally subjugated. Politicians, film stars and virtually anyone can have their careers ruined if they protest and speak out.
Logical thinking is no longer applied or allowed thus simple problems are rendered unsolvable. The correct answer to a multigenderist is that there are only two genders punktum, and refuse to take part in their insanity. But as you know they can get you prosecuted or sue you if you do not succumb.
I blame socialism, because unrealistic ideals however well intended are bound to end in ridiculous, harmful or deadly extremism, The principles of tolerance, social justice and absolute equality remove the protective barriers against the fanatical lunatic fringe. The barriers are; common sense, reasonable discrimination and sensible prejudice.
Simple solvable problems:
Islam is a violent and tyrannical system of belief that ruins lives and stifles freedom. therefore it must not be tolerated. This should be obvious.
Those that claim that there are more than two genders should be ridiculed and dismissed.
Indiscriminate immigration will obviously destroy any nation.
The only way to save the planet is to halt the growth of its human population.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 31, 2019 at 18:20
  • Islam is still the main threat though Alan. I can give a shit about transgender and finance problems but Muslims terrify me.

I completely agree with your statement Philip. I'm just pointing out that the rot is deeper than we previously thought. I used to think that the US debt would eventually get paid - but its unpayable, both in terms of interest rates and in terms of democratic power.  I used to think that Feminism and transgender extremism were outliers -but they are now eating in to the very fabric of society.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 31, 2019 at 18:15
  • "Without immigration, developed countries would adapt to a healthily declining population and evolve an adjusted lifestyle and economy with new technology and machines."

Yes they would - if they were all like you. But they aren't and they won't. Instead, in the US,  they will continue to spend money they haven't got and run up unpayable national debt, whilst arguing about transgender toilets and the correct use of pronouns. Meanwhile, more and more jobs will be draining off to China, and the middle class evaporating.

The situation is worse than you think, maybe because you live in a country which is insulated from some of the financial problems, and also because its (Norway's) people havn't gone quite so SJW crazy as the Americans have.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 31, 2019 at 11:25

Without immigration, developed countries would adapt to a healthily declining population and evolve an adjusted lifestyle and economy with new technology and machines.

Beyond a certain point population growth becomes a destructive drain on resources. As it is we are importing people that we have no use for and that are a burden. Muslims are in a class of their own because they are well organised and have a violent and aggressive ideology.The others just require the building of larger prisons.

I do not think that countries that could achieve a complete immigration stop would decline. The first requirement for the maintenance of a nation is a common identity.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 31, 2019 at 2:21

Well, yes, but things are so bad now that even if you took Islam out of the equation, we would still be looking at a decline until collapse, from debt, and from disintegration into other tribal groups. Islam just makes it happen at double speed, right now.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 28, 2019 at 8:34

Islam is still the main threat though Alan. I can give a shit about transgender and finance problems but Muslims terrify me.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 28, 2019 at 3:21

Yes. So below you have a blatant paedophile operating under the protection of the Canadian human rights council and using the law to financially drain all those who oppose him. He never has the trouble of working for a living, and if I lived in Canada he would get me charged for using the pronoun 'he' instead of 'she'.

Yesterday I went onto the Gatestone Institute for a quick scan and there were so many Islamic attacks (legal and physical) on the kuffar round the world that I thought we are really in the 3rd world war, but nobody is allowed to even name it.

I just added another video about the ponzi scheme which is the US currency (Federal Reserve Bank) and debt (Treasury) system, which even Trump will not be able to do anything about - he struggles to even get a $6B wall built!

The problems we have run so deep, that the original purpose of 4F is like a distant memory now.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 27, 2019 at 19:09

When i see what is happening in Canada, I have to remind myself that I am sane.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 27, 2019 at 16:49

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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