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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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" Yo Alan, Joe pointed out this case a few posts back, he also remarked that a sik…"

shiva replied May 23, 2015 to Muslim rape gangs - in UK

1080 Jul 7
Reply by Antony

"28 August 2014  Our Pride at Joining Force Several new recruits who attended the off…"

shiva replied May 8, 2015 to Muslim rape gangs - in UK

1080 Jul 7
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"  When I first posted this article I was not certain where to place it. Now as an af…"

shiva replied Apr 8, 2015 to A Qajar Lacquer Mirror-Case [ ! Content Warning ]

2 Apr 9, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

"Nujood Ali Nujood Ali was ten when her parents arranged a marriage to Faez Ali Thame…"

shiva replied Sep 10, 2013 to Yemen: 8-year-old child dies at hands of 40-year-old husband on wedding night

3 Sep 10, 2013
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"Surprise, the comments are open http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415871/Yeme…"

shiva replied Sep 10, 2013 to Yemen: 8-year-old child dies at hands of 40-year-old husband on wedding night

3 Sep 10, 2013
Reply by shiva

"Alan Lake said: No Alan it should be the age of Majority "

shiva replied Jun 28, 2013 to Islamic Child Marriage - collected articles

40 Feb 5, 2022
Reply by Antony

"Joe  Yes I did mean 850,000. What we have here is 842,000 muslims accused wrongly of…"

shiva replied Jun 28, 2013 to Islamic Child Marriage - collected articles

40 Feb 5, 2022
Reply by Antony

" Joe, There is a important but simple reason why the The Iranian penal code does not…"

shiva replied Jun 27, 2013 to Islamic Child Marriage - collected articles

40 Feb 5, 2022
Reply by Antony

" Alan, It is not that confusing.  Khomeini,s wife was not 9 or 10 when he married he…"

shiva replied Jun 27, 2013 to Islamic Child Marriage - collected articles

40 Feb 5, 2022
Reply by Antony

" R Spencer says   Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran sta…"

shiva replied Jun 27, 2013 to Islamic Child Marriage - collected articles

40 Feb 5, 2022
Reply by Antony

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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