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Child Victims of Kuffarphobia


Child Victims of Kuffarphobia

To protect children from abuse which is ideologically authorised, i.e. FGM, Child Marriage, Honour Killing, Grooming by Sex Gangs and Political Indoctrination.

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Key Info

Essential reading is the book "Easy Meat":

Map of UK Muslim Child Grooming

Official Video to Stop Grooming - suppressed by Paedophile Protectors in BBC and NUT?


UK government protected child groomers (with 20 years of recorded & sanctioned activity)

Children First Now
MEMRI Videos about Children's Islamic Indoctrination
Convention on the Rights of the Child, 1989

Discussion Forum

FGM - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Dec 5. 223 Replies

The #metoo fraud in Telford

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Mar 14. 2 Replies

FGM in Barking and Dagenham

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jul 26, 2017. 8 Replies

2014 Peshawar school massacre

Started by Alan Lake Jul 30, 2016. 0 Replies

Muslim Rape Gangs - outside UK

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Mar 22, 2016. 6 Replies

Child Soldiers

Started by shiva Jun 5, 2015. 0 Replies

Hser Ner Moo.

Started by shiva. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 27, 2015. 1 Reply

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Comment by Kinana on March 15, 2018 at 14:16

I think we both understand the point i was trying to make re 'age of consent'. 

Alan, your comment makes me think of the time a Muslim challenged me to name an 'age of consent' found in the Bible.  I could not because it is not there.  Jews and Christians just sort of thought about things and reasoned things out. 

And throughout history that age did vary according to cultrural norms and standards.  But that was wrong according to my Muslim challenger.  He said: 'At least Islam has an age which cannot be changed and it is clear what that is for all time and all people.  Whereas the Christian and Jews can have the age down to anytime after birth.'

This muslim could not grasp the idea of working things out according to certain principles like: love, biology, psychology, history, phisiology, what is best for children, etc.  No, for him, Mohammed was the guide and no deviation was possible or necessary.  Indeed it was unthinkable.

So, at this point in time, Sociey has provided a certain age of consent.  I think in the UK it is 16 and in the USA it is 18, with some exceptions.  And i would resist any attempts to lower that age.  And there are attempts to do so.

My other point is that Social Services and Police are very lax about enforcing that age limit (see links below) because of the larger cultural idea that consent is the new religion and the law should not interfer with 'people having fun' or 'doing what they want.'

Maybe we should start a separate discussion on this?!

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 15, 2018 at 10:46

A boy or girl is sexually adult when the girl menstruates or the boy produces sperm, they can make a child. But they are not fully developed physically until they are at least 18 years old and mentally adult a little later. Which means they can be exploited by adults and need to be protected. 16 seems like a reasonable compromise as an age of consent. At what age are they criminally responsible, I would also say 16.
For someone above the age of 16 to have sex with someone less than 16 is a crime ,and the severity of the crime increases as the victim is younger. An adult having sex with a six year old should get a life sentence.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 15, 2018 at 10:27

I agree, as with everything else Alan we have to find a middle ground, a balance and a compromise. We have to be somewhere inbetween rigid eternal unbendable rules -  and applying reason.

As a skeptic I believe in nothing, but in order to function I have to believe in such things as law and order and justice. That some things are right and other things wrong.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 14, 2018 at 17:38

Fundamentally I see this problem as the progeny of the Enlightenment.

Once you put Reason above tradition, instinct, culture and initial feeling, you get a system which cannibalises itself from within, till in the end there is nothing left to hold it together.

This is one thing that Mohammed got right.  By making concrete rules which can never be changed, no matter how silly or out of date, it avoids this problem of a flexible ideology hollowing itself out in the search for a justification of everything.

In the end, there is a limit to what can be achieved with pure reason.

Comment by Kinana on March 14, 2018 at 16:54

More on the 'age of consent' issue.  The lack of respect by the social services and police, for this law hampers its enforcement.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 14, 2018 at 16:24

"(and not the “Asian” community, if such a thing exists)" TWAT!

I think the Catholics here are arguing that all women and girls should wear the burkha so that men are not provoked into a sexual emergency. Locking up women in their homes, only letting them out with a male relative escort and covering them from head to toe in black cloth is the only way to prevent rape.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 14, 2018 at 16:14

It's our fault not Islam.
A (our) casual attitude towards underage sex is putting children in terrible danger (from rape gangs).
"The Oxford ‘Asian grooming gang’ were not in fact all Asian. But they were all Muslim: is this a problem we are afraid to face?"
by William Oddie


"I know very well that what these monsters have done is in direct defiance of everything the Muslim religion teaches. But this is, nevertheless, a problem the Muslim community (and not the “Asian” community, if such a thing exists) has to face. "

What a twat this man is.

"A relaxed attitude towards the age of consent, combined with easy and confidential access to contraceptive and sexual health services, is giving young people the impression that sexual activity before the age of 16 is no big deal." "The reluctance in many places, both political and professional, to have any firm statements about something being “wrong”, creates an environment where it is easier for vulnerable young people/children to be exploited."

These Catholics give the impression of have seriously taken up the problem and then blame us for not being catholic enough. If we were all sexually pure the poor Muslims would not be led into temptation.
As we all know Islam does not approve of rape and forbids sex with children.

Comment by Kinana on March 14, 2018 at 14:09

When consent is the new religion the law of the 'age of consent' is ignored.

There is a remarkable consistency emerging from cases of child sexual exploitation in different parts of the country. Put very simply, complacency about underage sex – evidenced by a failure to enforce the age of consent and policies encouraging the confidential provision of contraception to minors – is putting children at risk.

Comment by Antony on February 22, 2018 at 9:43
Comment by Antony on February 7, 2018 at 6:47

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