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Kuffarphobia in China

To deal with attacks on the 4 Freedoms by non-state movements in China

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Comment by Alan Lake on April 19, 2021 at 0:46
Comment by Alan Lake on April 19, 2021 at 0:41
Comment by Alan Lake on April 5, 2021 at 13:40
Comment by Alan Lake on April 2, 2021 at 13:23
Comment by Antony on February 3, 2021 at 13:18
Comment by Joe on January 31, 2021 at 13:16

The difference between LibLabCon is puppet theatre. They are one party.

Man I met was a life-long Tory donor. Got to retirement and switched his donations to Libs because he knew that way he'd get a seat in the Lords.  Which he did.

Billionaire backer of UKIP I met went off to have lunch with prominent Tories.

We have a "Conservative" Party with 80 seat majority that is going to introduce the "hate speech" laws that Labour couldn't get passed the Lords in 2005.  A whole generation of peers will have died off in that time, so this time it will pass the Lords.

People I knew 10 to 15 years ago used to tell me "just wait until Tories are in power and you'll see them undo all the PC crap of Labour".  I laughed in their faces.

I'm so glad I didn't even vote in 2019. My only options were LibLabCon and Green.

Comment by paul collings on January 31, 2021 at 11:51

When do Government ever get their 'public facts' right. They make an announcement, cushion the blow with expert data, then spend years ignoring facts on the ground. 

Our Con government is just going to carry on the job if the EU. Destroy national identity via mass immigration and continue the Globalist agenda. 

Comment by Antony on January 31, 2021 at 11:37

re the Chinese immigration - and all this from a "Conservative" government that always plays to the gallery promising to stop immigration.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 31, 2021 at 11:33
Although there are 2.9 million citizens eligible to move to the UK, with a further estimated 2.3 million dependents, the government expects about 300,000 people to take up the offer in the first five years.
The news gets more and more unbelievable every day. On what data do they suppose that only 5% will want to come here? And why the 5 year limit? Oh I see, they've guessed at 1% per year for 5 years!!

What happens after 5 years, as China cracks down even more, and maybe even starts requisitioning assets? Potentially all 5 million could want to come here. China has enough skilled population to easily fill vacancies in Hong Kong, and most Chinese would give their back teeth to be there.

Comment by paul collings on January 31, 2021 at 11:07

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-55847572

Millions of visas are to be offered to Hong Kongers from Today in response to China's crackdown on dissenters.

And what jobs will they take. The UK is shutdown. Many jobs won't come back. High wage city jobs are hard to come by as many financial institutions are working over seas after Brexit.

We have enough restaurants, and illegal immigration is rampant. 

Illegals here can't be sent home. Immigration from non EU countries is climbing, and EU citizens who moved here are staying as well. 

Our NHS needs saving, apparently, even though it was paid to save us. And Boris is offering almost unlimited accommodation for People who are essential Chinese Citizens. 

Do we think all those activitists will come to the UK and remain silent. They'll join the ranks of people from every other nation protesting and costing Money. Every City in England is being turned into a world wide foreign Grievance arena. 

While everyone stays at home the government can see where all the empty spaces are. And fill them it seem. If hunderd thousand HK people moved here, it's going to be a squeeze. If half a million come here, where are you going to go for a holiday in the UK. Every Hotel will be full. And as the Muslims illegals have started burning down their Army barracks accommodation, housing is becoming increasingly scarse. Maybe Covid can remedy that.

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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