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It takes a nation to protect the nation

Kuffarphobia in China


Kuffarphobia in China

To deal with attacks on the 4 Freedoms by non-state movements in China

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Corona Virus - Covid-19

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Map of Chinese Provinces

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Comment by Alan Lake on May 9, 2022 at 19:31

Behind China’s Lockdown Madness—Gen. Robert Spalding on a Looming Taiwan Invasion, the Russia-Ukraine War

Comment by Alan Lake on November 4, 2021 at 0:32
Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 3, 2021 at 15:33
This Chinese social points system is the ultimate police state.
You get plus points for informing on others. And lose points if you socialise with low-point persons or do anything at all that the government does not approve of.
You are not allowed to travel if you have low points. Or get a job. Every aspect of a persons life is carefull monitored, And threre are vast prison complexes and re-education facilities.
I did not mind them persecuting Muslims but in China they persecute everyone.
Looks like we have a choice between the totalitarian state- or a distopian crime ridden Western drug driven society.

Comment by Alan Lake on July 14, 2021 at 15:53

China destroying the environment again:

Don't wait for Greta Thunberg to speak up though. 

Comment by Alan Lake on April 19, 2021 at 0:46
Comment by Alan Lake on April 19, 2021 at 0:41
Comment by Alan Lake on April 5, 2021 at 13:40
Comment by Alan Lake on April 2, 2021 at 13:23
Comment by Antony on February 3, 2021 at 13:18
Comment by Joe on January 31, 2021 at 13:16

The difference between LibLabCon is puppet theatre. They are one party.

Man I met was a life-long Tory donor. Got to retirement and switched his donations to Libs because he knew that way he'd get a seat in the Lords.  Which he did.

Billionaire backer of UKIP I met went off to have lunch with prominent Tories.

We have a "Conservative" Party with 80 seat majority that is going to introduce the "hate speech" laws that Labour couldn't get passed the Lords in 2005.  A whole generation of peers will have died off in that time, so this time it will pass the Lords.

People I knew 10 to 15 years ago used to tell me "just wait until Tories are in power and you'll see them undo all the PC crap of Labour".  I laughed in their faces.

I'm so glad I didn't even vote in 2019. My only options were LibLabCon and Green.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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