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Kuffarphobia in China


Kuffarphobia in China

To deal with attacks on the 4 Freedoms by non-state movements in China

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Latest Activity: Oct 19

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Corona Virus - Covid-19

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 5, 2020. 24 Replies

Map of Chinese Provinces

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Jihad against Chinese (650-751)

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Comment by paul collings on January 31, 2021 at 11:07

Millions of visas are to be offered to Hong Kongers from Today in response to China's crackdown on dissenters.

And what jobs will they take. The UK is shutdown. Many jobs won't come back. High wage city jobs are hard to come by as many financial institutions are working over seas after Brexit.

We have enough restaurants, and illegal immigration is rampant. 

Illegals here can't be sent home. Immigration from non EU countries is climbing, and EU citizens who moved here are staying as well. 

Our NHS needs saving, apparently, even though it was paid to save us. And Boris is offering almost unlimited accommodation for People who are essential Chinese Citizens. 

Do we think all those activitists will come to the UK and remain silent. They'll join the ranks of people from every other nation protesting and costing Money. Every City in England is being turned into a world wide foreign Grievance arena. 

While everyone stays at home the government can see where all the empty spaces are. And fill them it seem. If hunderd thousand HK people moved here, it's going to be a squeeze. If half a million come here, where are you going to go for a holiday in the UK. Every Hotel will be full. And as the Muslims illegals have started burning down their Army barracks accommodation, housing is becoming increasingly scarse. Maybe Covid can remedy that.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 24, 2021 at 18:45

By the way, NTD / China In Focus seems to be a good source of news (similar to the Indian site WION). You can get it as a mobile app as well.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 24, 2021 at 18:44
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Comment by Alan Lake on June 2, 2020 at 14:36

The amount of military espionage that the US has let China get away with is truly shocking. Without it China wouldn't dare now be threatening to commandeer the entire South China Sea. And that video doesn't even mention the theft of the miniaturisation technology for multiple nuclear warheads on ICBMs.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 31, 2020 at 10:41

That is what is so annoying, we have better things to do with our lives. And yet things like Islam and immigration cannot be ignored as they reduce the quality of our lives and threaten our security. it is all so unnecessary because had we had a government that was rational these issues would have been prevented. So we must fight for our freedom, pride and a nation that has been allowed to fall into decay. 

Make me dictator and Britain would indeed be great and unspoiled again.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 30, 2020 at 21:20

Yes. I'd be prepared to give up some freedoms for the sake of more security and a safer, better organised society. Plus, I could then spend less time thinking about stupid political issues!


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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