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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Archbishop of Canterbury calls for a new Crusade? "

Joe replied Oct 18, 2014 to The Mass Exodus of Christians from the Muslim World

3 Oct 18, 2014
Reply by Joe

"After almost 7 years in which no-one of any prominence was speaking out for christia…"

Joe replied Jan 23, 2014 to Pope Francis - archive articles

13 May 24, 2016
Reply by Alan Lake

"PAM you might be interested in this comparison I did of deaths from islamically-moti…"

Joe replied Jan 9, 2014 to Interfaith in the Muslim World!

6 Jan 9, 2014
Reply by Philip Smeeton

"I think you are right about this. I've occasionally seen others make the same observ…"

Joe replied Jan 9, 2014 to Interfaith in the Muslim World!

6 Jan 9, 2014
Reply by Philip Smeeton

"There's the rub.  Who speaks for "the muslim world"?  We can't canvass the (honest?)…"

Joe replied Dec 9, 2013 to Pope Francis - archive articles

13 May 24, 2016
Reply by Alan Lake

"A pope can have his celebrity status and lie. Or he can tell the truth and be assass…"

Joe replied Dec 9, 2013 to Pope Francis - archive articles

13 May 24, 2016
Reply by Alan Lake

"On the day the outgoing Pope announced his resignation, he also announced he would c…"

Joe replied Mar 11, 2013 to The Massacre at Otranto

7 May 13, 2013
Reply by Kinana

"These are better photos of the skulls.  I remember the first time I heard about this…"

Joe replied Mar 11, 2013 to The Massacre at Otranto

7 May 13, 2013
Reply by Kinana

"http://www.civitas.org.uk/press/prChristianophobia.htm Christianity at risk of wipe-…"

Joe replied Dec 24, 2012 to Christians Most Oppressed Religious Group, Most Oppressors are Muslims

2 Dec 24, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"I would have no problem making an apology.  My ego is out of the way.  Before I made…"

Joe replied Jun 6, 2012 to Is Christianity more Murderous than Islam?

108 Jun 11, 2012
Reply by Mark

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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