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It takes a nation to protect the nation

In the UK, non-Muslims have created a massive 'interfaith movement' which a small number of media-savvy Muslims have taken full advantage of. We're always hearing about 'community cohesion' and the necessity of 'embracing diversity' from this movement.

When an Islamic bomb goes off or yet another Muslim terrorist is arrested, the Church of Interfaith gets into full swing. When there's another case of Muslim grooming, the C of I assures us that there are also many gangs of Anglican groomers. When there's a protest against a super-mosque, yes, you've got it, the Interfaith zealots will be there begging the builders to make the mosque bigger and higher.

So how's the Interfaith Movement doing in Muslim countries?

A report was released on May 7th by the US Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF). It revealed that out of 15 nations which were the worst offenders against religious freedom, 10 were Islamic nations.

In these Islamic countries, non-Muslims are persecuted, imprisoned or killed for their non-Islamic religious beliefs. This isn't surprising since such persecution is written into Islam itself. That is, under sharia law all non-Muslims have a dhimmi status at best; at worst they are persecuted and often killed. The Koran itself has countless passages of hate towards 'unbelievers' and the hadiths are often even worse.

Since most Muslims in the UK are either Pakistani or of Pakistani heritage, let's start with Pakistan.

In Pakistan there is a controversial blasphemy law. That will also explain why many British-Pakistani Muslims are agitating for blasphemy law here in the UK. Of course they don't use the words 'sharia blasphemy law'. Instead they talk about 'hate crimes', 'Islamophobia', 'racism' and whatnot. In fact Muslims in the UK have been so successful of fusing the criticism of Islam with racism that we've now got the Religious and Racial Hatred Act of 2006.

Let's stay with Pakistan. In that country there is massive persecution of all religious minorities, which often results in killings, arson and rioting. (It's ironic that one day Pakistani Muslims in the UK will be interfaithing and enjoying peace and tolerance, and the next they will be visiting Pakistan, as they often do, and seeing some of the massive violence and persecution– carried out by their relations?– of non-Muslims. I wonder what they think about all this ... .)

Take Egypt when led by what Western governments deemed to be the 'moderate' Muslim Brotherhood. USCIRF explicitly stated that the Muslim Brotherhood had systematically failed to stop violence against Egypt's religious minorities, most prominently the Copts (Christian Egyptians). This is not a surprise because the Muslim Brotherhood has since the 1920s been strong on persecution and even on assassinations and bombings. This was hardly likely to have stopped once they gained power.

If we then move to Iraq and Iran, the Commission informs us that imprisonment, torture and executions are daily occurrences for non-Muslims in these countries. As is the case with many Islamic states, a conversion to Christianity in Iran and Iraq is classed as a 'crime against state security'. This shouldn't be a surprise because in Islam the state and religion are as one; that's what Islam demands and what sharia law is there to bring about.

In Saudi Arabia all religious activities outside the permitted Wahhabism, an extremely conservative movement within Islam, are banned. Indeed in Saudi Arabia's apartheid state non-Muslims have to drive on their own side of the road. That apartheid system encompasses all aspects of Saudi life. This is because the Islamic system of dhimmitude enforces a system of apartheid on all non-Muslims in Muslim states.

The Muslim countries which USCIRF notes also include Sudan, Uzbekistan, Nigeria, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan. These are classified as "particularly worrisome countries".

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You state the situation precisely Paul. There is a parallel reality in Western countries that is incapable of comprehending that the behaviour of Muslims in Muslim countries is the actual factual reality.

"Proud to know and love Muslims"-

=They desire that ye should be infidels as they are infidels, and that ye should be alike. Take therefore none of them for friends, till they have fled their homes for the cause of Allah. If they turn back, then seize them, and slay them wherever ye find them; but take none of them as friends or helpers,- Verily, the infidels are your undoubted enemies!

O Believers! take not the Jews or Christians as friends. -- And the infidels shall be gathered together into Hell,- Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah’s.-

Believers! Wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that Allah is with those who fear him.

And He gave you their land, and their dwellings, and their wealth, for an heritage- even a land on which ye had never set foot: for the might of Allah is equal to all things.- Cursed wherever they are found; they shall be seized and slain with slaughter!- Verily, Allah hath cursed the Infidels, and hath got ready for them the flame:- kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for Allah is Gracious, Merciful.-

He it is who hath sent his apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that, though they hate it who join other gods with Allah, He may make it victorious over every other religion. -


“Fight those who believe not in Allah.”

“The Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them.”

“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.”=

What do these Islamophiles have to say about the teachings of Mohammed(Allah) and the mass murder of Christians and heretics in Muslim countries? The logical progression that they ignore(are incapable of understanding) is that Mulims will eventually outnumber the natives and the reign of terror will be upon them.


I'm convinced that the primary motive for non-Muslim interfaithers is to feel good about themselves. It's about the self. The pious ego.

Anglican and Methodist interfaithers grandstand their piety and suicidal tolerance of Muslims but, at the very same time, they don't really give a damn about what's happening to their fellow Christians, on a massive and systematic scale, in the Muslim world. It doesn't concern them because it won't score them any piety points here in the UK.

What matters is how they feel about themselves and what they believe others think of them. They are just like Victorian moralists or 16th-century Puritans - except they've substituted an obsessive anti-sex and ritualistic morality with the absolute strictures and laws of political correctness and the Church of Interfaith. (They're also like the Pharisees in the New Testament.)

As for Muslims who partake in interfaith: interfaith = Islamic dawah

There are plenty of examples in the Koran that can be used to explain why Muslims behave as they do. Why do people in Europe behave as they do is a different thing.

Over the years the education system has changed and instead of giving our youngsters the tools required, ie, good English reading skills, so that they might read and understand what is then taught them has fallen by the wayside in favour of them being taught how to better understand people from other cultures, how to be better citizens, global warming and any number of things that don't matter as your growing up.

The European Union through various treaties, initiatives and policies have been driving an agenda that seeks to convince its citizens that we must embrace Islam. Although because of Multiculturalism the Islamic community does not have to reciprocate.

The Islamic world will never accept our culture, and multiculturalism  has allowed  Islamic communities to build up across Europe without any need for them to integrate, they remain part of the Islamic world. So why shouldn't they behave in Europe as they do in Pakistan, Saudi, Iraq ect if they not only consider they are still part of the Isamic Ummah, but  we have educated ourself to accept that idea and financed groups to promote that understanding. 

The Barcelona Declaration should be read and understood by people.

http://balder.org/avisartikler/Barcelona-Declaration-Euro-Mediterra...

And so should the work of ISESCO

http://www.waitro.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=51&It...

Most of these organisations and treaties have come about because of the 'Euro-Arab dialogue, EAD, which basically put the Arab nation in charge of European Foreign and domestic   policy. The Islamic world is educating us how to be good dhimmis, and all these interfaith groups are there as part  of this educational process.   

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/abdulmuhd/tag/euro-arab-dialogue/

I think you are right about this. I've occasionally seen others make the same observation when commenting on articles in The Telegraph and The Spectator.  For a long time, I thought I was alone in this inference.

The legacy of 19th century moralising has often struck me as being the basis for much of leftism.  Without that legacy -- the morally superior being going among the barbarians to improve them -- I don't think that leftism would have had the hold on the west which it has.  We have the idea that in the 19th century everyone in Britain was quite religious.  But the demographic surveys of Mayhew in London's East End showed that the vast majority of the working class rarely stepped inside a church.

Paul Austin Murphy said:

I'm convinced that the primary motive for non-Muslim interfaithers is to feel good about themselves. It's about the self. The pious ego.

Anglican and Methodist interfaithers grandstand their piety and suicidal tolerance of Muslims but, at the very same time, they don't really give a damn about what's happening to their fellow Christians, on a massive and systematic scale, in the Muslim world. It doesn't concern them because it won't score them any piety points here in the UK.

What matters is how they feel about themselves and what they believe others think of them. They are just like Victorian moralists or 16th-century Puritans - except they've substituted an obsessive anti-sex and ritualistic morality with the absolute strictures and laws of political correctness and the Church of Interfaith. (They're also like the Pharisees in the New Testament.)

As for Muslims who partake in interfaith: interfaith = Islamic dawah

Let's stay with Pakistan. In that country there is massive persecution of all religious minorities, which often results in killings, arson and rioting. (It's ironic that one day Pakistani Muslims in the UK will be interfaithing and enjoying peace and tolerance, and the next they will be visiting Pakistan, as they often do, and seeing some of the massive violence and persecution– carried out by their relations?– of non-Muslims. I wonder what they think about all this 

PAM you might be interested in this comparison I did of deaths from islamically-motivated violence.

http://4freedoms.com/page/pakistan-failed-state

The media focus on Israel and ignore what goes on in Pakistan, India, Thailand, etc.

Christian holocaust(the extermination of non-Muslims) deniers: Yes it’s very much about worshipping their own pious egos. The faith also demands self-denial and suffering, which in turn fits PC and leftist moralising perfectly. The Christians are still anti-sex and ritualistically moral, they have just added political correctness and interfaith to their doctrine.

I agree too that our children have been mis-educated into acceptance of that which does them harm, i.e. multiculturalism. We were taught to reason and to think logically and to not deny fact. If a nation is to survive there can only be one dominant culture. Otherwise, as we are witnessing, society is torn apart.

 

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