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Christian Victims

Christians are under worldwide persecution, mostly from Islam, ranging from forced FGM in Philippines, to beheading in Indonesia, to burning alive in Sudan - all ignored by the MSM and the Left.

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The Pope - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Paul Austin Murphy Jan 23. 12 Replies

Interfaith in the Muslim World!

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jan 9. 6 Replies

Syrian Jihadists behead Catholic priest

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 1, 2013. 1 Reply

The Massacre at Otranto

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana May 13, 2013. 7 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on September 3, 2014 at 20:42
Comment by Philip Smeeton on September 3, 2014 at 11:48

What is the name of this guy, Alan? I have a Christian aquaintance that might like to follow him.

The Qur’an

4:157 And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

5:47 Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.

5:51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

5:65 If only the People of the Scripture would believe and ward off (evil), surely We should remit their sins from them and surely We should bring them into Gardens of Delight.

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

Comment by Alan Lake on September 3, 2014 at 1:39
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 23, 2014 at 10:08
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 19, 2014 at 13:10

Where is the outrage Joe, where are the Telegraph headlines condemning Islam for its atrocities, where are the warnings that this persecution is coming here to our shores. (is already here and growing).

Comment by Joe on July 19, 2014 at 10:24

Mosul: christians told "convert or die".

Of course, nothing to do with islam. Nothing to do with muslims being told to emulate Mohammed, nothing to do with Mohammed ending the koran by saying "kill the unbelievers".

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 29, 2014 at 22:04

Like I say, we have to fence in the Muslim countries and send back the Muslims we have here. Physical containment is the only remedy for Islam. When they come here they behave as they do there, like demons. I call to account those that excuse Islam.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 29, 2014 at 11:55
Comment by Kinana on January 22, 2014 at 10:18

Coptic Christian Children: Kidnapped and Killed for Cash

Yet another Coptic Christian child was recently kidnapped in Egypt. Thirteen-year-old Cyril Rif‘at Fayiz was abducted in the Minya district by “unknown persons” who later called the child’s parents demanding one million Egyptian pounds, nearly the equivalent of $150,000 U.S. dollars.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 11, 2014 at 9:26

This is an instructive comment from

David have you tried going on Paltalk to debate muslims ? I go all the time and it is astounding the level of ignorance amongst muslims.

Most of the arguments that I have with muslims on Paltalk are the ones I have learned from you and Sam and it is very sad to see muslims being intellectually dishonest as they repeat bogus arguments that have no merit.

Even when you quote the quran to them they still want to argue and try to give you a context that is not there. It is very sad indeed because that is what cults do.

After engaging muslims on paltalk and seeing their absolute denial of the Islamic injunction to kill unbelievers even when the clear verses in the quran are quoted to them, I have come to the conclusion that Islam is not a religion at all, Islam is a CULT pure and simple. Not just any cult but a death cult at that. And why intelligent, highly educated, rational muslims do not see the barbaric nature of Islam is mind boggling indeed.


Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

The two current threats to Secular Democracy (SD) of Islam and Debt arise due to fundamental vulnerabilities in its constitution. Hence the 4 Freedoms definitions give 4 corrections to that ideology.

We have little expectation of those corrections being implemented, because SD rests on an even more fundamental fallacy, that:
The 'open marketplace' of ideas driven by rational self interest will lead to ideological well being - in the same way that Adam Smith's free market of prices leads to economic well being.

But ideological faction is not comparable with economic grouping, because the rational self interest of ideological actors performs differently to that of economic actors. Consequently, the open society of SD, will succumb gradually to any strong, unified gang, of which, Islam is one example.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them, so 4F gives only a sample view of how far it has advanced and by what methods. We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and will force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These freedoms protect against four vulnerabilities in standard definitions of democracy.
1. Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of free speech and democracy
2. Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed -except one advocating the end of free speech and democracy
3. Freedom from Religious Intrusion
Religion & culture operate freely in the private sphere, but are regulated by law in the public sphere
4. Freedom from Debt
The electorate is not allowed to live off debt and dump it on the next generation

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