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Christian Victims

Christians are under worldwide persecution, mostly from Islam, ranging from forced FGM in Philippines, to beheading in Indonesia, to burning alive in Sudan - all ignored by the MSM and the Left.

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The Pope - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Paul Austin Murphy Jan 23, 2014. 12 Replies

Interfaith in the Muslim World!

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jan 9, 2014. 6 Replies

Syrian Jihadists behead Catholic priest

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 1, 2013. 1 Reply

The Massacre at Otranto

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 12, 2015 at 17:00 

Free to pray - but don't try to convert anyone.

 If I was to predict anything it would be that this "tolerance" will evaporate as soon as Dubai meets serious economic problems.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 11, 2015 at 11:55

Time we had a mass exodus of Muslims from Europe.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 10, 2015 at 21:28

The mass exodus of Christians from the Muslim world | Fox News

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 28, 2015 at 11:45

The Muslims of course see this as the catholic church submitting to islam and accepting dhimmitude, just got to pay the jizya tax now.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 28, 2015 at 9:47

​‘May you be an angel of peace’: Pope Francis welcomes Mahmoud Abbas in Vatican

Pope Francis (R) embraces Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at the end of the ceremony for the canonisation of four nuns at Saint Peter's square in the Vatican City, May 17, 2015.(Reuters / Tony Gentile )

Pope Francis has called Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas an “angel of peace” as the two leaders met in the Vatican. The meeting comes three days after the Vatican officially recognized Palestine as a state.

“May the angel of peace destroy the evil spirit of war. I thought of you: may you be an angel of peace,”Francis told Abbas, after presenting him a gift.

The talks between the Palestinian leader and the pontiff, held behind closed doors, lasted twenty minutes.

“During the cordial discussions, great satisfaction was expressed for the accord reached on the text of a comprehensive agreement between the parties on various essential aspects of the life and the activity of the Catholic Church in Palestine, to be signed in the near future,” said a statement from the Vatican, ascited by

During the negotiations “…the hope was expressed that direct negotiations between the parties be resumed in order to find a just and lasting solution to the conflict [between Palestine and Israel].”

“To this end the wish was reiterated that, with the support of the international Community, Israelis and Palestinians may take with determination courageous decisions to promote peace.”

Abbas traveled to the Vatican to attend the canonization of four new saints by the Pope, two of whom are Palestinian nuns. The nuns, Marie Alphonsine Ghattas from Jerusalem and Mariam Bawardy from Galilee [now in northern Israel], who lived in Ottoman Palestine in the 19th century, are to become the first Palestinian Arabs to get sainthood.

The move to grant them this honor has been described as a "sign of hope" for the region by the Latin patriarch of Jerusalem, Fouad Twal.

Abbas’s visit to the Vatican comes three days after the state officially recognized the state of Palestine, following the finalization of a new treaty on Wednesday.

The treaty, as yet to be formally signed, says the Vatican has switched its diplomatic allegiance from the Palestinian Liberation Organization to the state of Palestine.

In 2012, the Vatican welcomed a decision by the UN General Assembly to recognize Palestine as a non-member observer state. The latest treaty, however, is considered to be the first legal document between the Vatican and the state of Palestine, which can be considered as official diplomatic recognition.

According to Vatican Foreign Minister Monsignor Antoine Camilleri, the move was not politically motivated, but simply in line with the Holy See’s position.

Israel hit out at the Vatican’s decision, saying it damages prospects for peace in the region.

"This move doesn’t promote the peace process and distances the Palestinian leadership from returning to direct and bilateral negotiations," its foreign ministry said in a text message. "Israel will study the agreement and will consider its steps accordingly."

The treaty in question concerns the activities of the Catholic Church in Palestine. In April 2014, a Catholic Monastery was vandalized not far from the Israeli capital of Jerusalem in a hate crime carried out by Israelis. Slogans condemning peace talks with Palestine and graffiti disparaging Jesus and Mary were daubed on the walls.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 20, 2015 at 10:54

I find the presence of mosques and Muslims in Western countries offensive and demand that they be removed.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 20, 2015 at 1:43

Muslims Demand That ‘Offensive’ Crosses Be Removed… From CATHOLIC School [WATCH VIDEO]

Comment by Philip Smeeton on April 17, 2015 at 17:04

Mediterranean migrants.

There are Christians in Europe that are welcoming Muslims.

Police: Muslims threw Christians overboard during Med voyage

Comment by Kinana on April 17, 2015 at 13:40

This gives a different meaning to the saying 'We are all in the same boat.'

police in Palermo say that 15 Muslim migrants, who travelled on another boat, were arrested on charges of “multiple aggravated murder motivated by religious hate”, after several surviving migrants came forward and told them of an altercation which resulted in 12 Christians being thrown overboard.

Comment by Alan Lake on February 15, 2015 at 23:32

A warm welcome from Sister Hatune Dogan,

“I am sure you now and then have thought about how to help others and how to be sure your charity money is not going in the wrong pockets!

I am Sister Hatune and I help people in 35 countries. Present it is the Christians in the Middle East we focus on.

In Christmas and New Year, I was visiting the poor and needy refugees in Iraq and Syria. Just now I am working on a report from this journey and I will advise you when it is finished and available on our new international website:

The site is working, but we still need to load up some more of all the interesting stuff we have about things going on under the Foundation’s umbrella.

I am happy to tell that from April our aim is to provide our readers with a monthly News Letter that delivers the latest updates about the Foundation’s activities.”

Sister Hatune is once again in the Middle East

After she wrote the above last week, once again Sister Hatune left home with the Middle East as her destination. So many people, Christians and Yezidies need help there. The number of refugees and homeless is now reaching more than 8 million people according to the UNHCR.

Although the UNHCR, as representatives for the World society, is responsible for those poor people’s situation, we all know that the UNHCR is not capable to help with more than a minimum of the necessities needed – and unfortunately in the present grave situation not always even that! These facts makes our presence far more essential and needed.

“We are helping where we can with our focus on Christians and Yezidies whose organizations we cooperate with in the area. Our help is a drop in the ocean seen from the overall perspective. We know that. However, for the single suffering individual we are the saving angel and that is what we can do. People here need everything”, Sister Hatune said to me before she left for this operation.

Sister Hatune’s personal appeal

“We also need YOUR help.

We depend on private contributions. Without help from our large band of supporters, we would not be able to help anywhere!

I appeal to you all to help us, you who hear about us for the first time, and you who already have shown interest in Hatune Foundation. I do not ask you to do more than your situation allows, but if you have a friend, and your friend has a friend, then all contributions together can provide hope, love and necessary means to many more sisters and brothers, children and parents that really need us during these days!

So I beg you to forward this appeal to everybody you know, and I promise, when I go to the Vatican in the beginning of March (3-9) where I am invited to participate in several lectures and seminars about different issues, I will personally light a candle for every one of you and send you a prayer. Even if you are not a Catholic yourself, I am sure it will help!

I wish you all the best and God bless you.”

Sister Hatune Dogan from somewhere in the Middle East

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Expenditure
The government can spend money in any way it wants  - except one where the debt burden passes across generations (20 years)
4. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)

An additional Freedom from Religion may be deduced from equal application of the law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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