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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"She had no problem cooking the pork. This stinks of a set up"

shiva replied May 12, 2015 to Kuffarphobia in the Cooking and Hairdressing Professions

4 May 13, 2015
Reply by Joe

"It is normal to take of shoes in Hindu and Buddhist temples. Also it is praxis to re…"

shiva replied Sep 15, 2012 to Kuffarphobia in Malaysia

2 Sep 15, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"In ten years time every body will know who Breviek is, but odds on no body will know…"

shiva replied Aug 4, 2012 to UK: Lets glorify Racism, Fascism and Gangsterism in our Olympic Opening Ceremony!

3 Aug 4, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"To me it was more than pain, it was fatal. And yes Alan, you hit the nail right on t…"

shiva replied Jul 31, 2012 to The Price of Dhimmitude and Greed

2 Jul 31, 2012
Reply by shiva

"Yes Alan this is confusing, I do not see this has much to do with apartheid, and eve…"

shiva replied Jul 23, 2012 to LEBANON: Misleading article - WITHDRAWN

4 Jul 24, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

".I don't this article can be called islamic rascism This articles can be split into…"

shiva replied Jul 17, 2012 to LEBANON: Misleading article - WITHDRAWN

4 Jul 24, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"Yo Alan I was just looking through some old files of mine, and I noticed names of di…"

shiva replied Jul 10, 2012 to Kuffarphobia in Bradford

7 Oct 6, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

"I look at the pix, and I can not help thinking, thats a damnrd load of damage done b…"

shiva replied Jul 7, 2012 to Kuffarphobia in Bradford

7 Oct 6, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

"Last month saw a series of riots in Europe, not over the wobbly Euro, but instead ov…"

shiva replied Jun 19, 2012 to Islam’s place in Europe - by Jonathan Laurence at Brookings

3 Jun 19, 2012
Reply by paul collings


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Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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