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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Women and men being raped in Tahrir Square.  Maybe more men than women.  The men are…"

Joe replied Mar 9, 2013 to Why are sex attacks on the rise in Tahrir Square? - BBC

2 Mar 9, 2013
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"I think that beating 4 students for being plonkers is outrageous (as far as I can ga…"

Joe replied Feb 26, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"I cannot believe that a "quality" newspaper employs such idiots. http://www.independ…"

Joe replied Feb 24, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/02/21/islam-or-death-egypt-christians-targeted-by-…"

Joe replied Feb 23, 2013 to EG Christians (Copts, original Egyptians, native Egyptians) call for Protection!

2 Feb 23, 2013
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"Fayoum church and ‘garbage’ reporting http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2013/02/18/fayou…"

Joe replied Feb 19, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"Ibrahim Hanafi found naked & tortured in desert. http://english.alarabiya.net/a…"

Joe replied Feb 18, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"Torture and assassination of 28 y.o. Mohammed El Gindy and 12 y.o. Omar Salah. http:…"

Joe replied Feb 18, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"Think Again: The Muslim Brotherhood How did so many Western analysts get Egypt's Isl…"

Joe replied Feb 1, 2013 to Nazi Roots of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

33 Apr 21, 2015
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"A forthcoming talk at the LSE: "Is Jordan Immune to the Arab Spring Uprisings?" http…"

Joe replied Jan 8, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"It will be interesting to observe in the next few years whose predictions were right…"

Joe replied Jan 4, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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