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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Well it,s going the same way in the Maldives Girls of Aminiya School. The Maldive go…"

shiva replied Oct 1, 2013 to Egypt: From Freedom of Dress to the Conformance of Submission (Islam) - in 25 years

1 Oct 1, 2013
Reply by shiva

"Yo Alan and Rabbi Shifren, if the Jews or Christians controlled the oil, then we wou…"

shiva replied Aug 23, 2013 to Final Conversation Between Morsi and Sisi

7 Dec 23, 2013
Reply by Joe

"Kinana. My rather abrupt comment was not directed at P Geller, it was intented for…"

shiva replied Aug 21, 2013 to Churches Burning across Egypt

34 Oct 2, 2013
Reply by Kinana

"This utter bullshit, by blaming the MB, islam in general is being let of the hook"

shiva replied Aug 20, 2013 to Churches Burning across Egypt

34 Oct 2, 2013
Reply by Kinana

"I am surprised that there where so many churches remaining Egypt"

shiva replied Aug 20, 2013 to Churches Burning across Egypt

34 Oct 2, 2013
Reply by Kinana

"'It's not just a passing news story that briefly gets people’s attention then is for…"

shiva replied Jun 28, 2012 to High rate of harassment, sexual assault in Egypt and other Arab nations

11 Aug 12, 2013
Reply by Joe

" WHERE ARE THE NAZI'S NOW? Nazis during WWII Under Hitler After the war… Alter…"

shiva replied Jun 9, 2012 to Nazi Roots of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

33 Apr 21, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

"Abu Simbel (Arabic أبو سنبل or أبو سمبل) an archaeological site comprising two mass…"

shiva replied Dec 18, 2011 to Egypt: Fascists plan to blow up Churches, destroy monuments

8 Jul 12, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"The Nose Whodunit  Which is the correct  A) Napoleon's troops shot the nose off th…"

shiva replied Dec 17, 2011 to Egypt: Fascists plan to blow up Churches, destroy monuments

8 Jul 12, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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