It takes a nation to protect the nation
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I'm not real sure what your point is, insulting people who basically support you.
The truth is:
The EDL hasn't really achieved anything with regard to Islam. Muslim immigration continues unabated. Mosque construction continues unabated. Al Qaeda linked extremists are still living free in London and running their mouths at will. Muslim women continue to wear burkhas however and wherever they please. Muslim no-go zones continue to be no-go zones. The government hasn't done a thing in response to to EDL pressure.
The EDL has done some fairly large demonstrations, and they deserve a lot of credit for that, but let's face it: those demonstrations have had no effect whatsoever on Islamization in the UK.
Yes, a certain degree of awareness has been raised, but not much. Education and communication with the public aren't the EDL's strong suit. Look at the latest demo. What message are these people communicating to the public regarding Islam?
None that I can detect. Pointing that out isn't an "attack" on the EDL. It's constructive criticism. It's stating the truth, and saying what needs to be said.
99.99999% of the British public hasn't been on an EDL demo, but according to the EDL, people who don't go on demos are nothing but targets for insults and contempt. Why should people who are very sympathetic to your cause continue to support you, considering that you constantly attack and insult them?
There are many smart people who can't/don't go to EDL demos, but strongly support the EDL. Why not just listen to their suggestions and treat those people with a little respect? You don't have to follow what they say. But some of their ideas may be good! It just seems very counterproductive to insult people and tell them to shut up, simply because they don't go to demos. That just alienates good supporters, and makes them want to fire back at you.
nice one mate.could`nt have put it better myself.no surrender.
The thing is John the EDL is a "grass roots social movement" to put pressure on political parties on issues regarding Islamism. What you are asking for (it would seem) is a street army to go round and wipe the muslim populace out once and for all, or at the very least you asking for a "cull" of a certain brand of muslim.
Ah Shiva i was wondering how long it would take you to remind us of the reasons why you were so well liked at the forum, the second sentence sums it up perfectly yet you were pretty slow off the mark this time.
HOW you would suggest we deal with.....
"muslim immigrants and burkhas and mosques and sharia courts and halal meat and no-go zones keep proliferating" I ask this simply because you have made some critical points without actually expanding on them sufficiently enough to conclude ANY kind of workable strategy.
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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.
At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.
Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.
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We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.
These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper).
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
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Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
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The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:
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