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Free Speech & Civil Soc

Civil society has many benefits we take for granted, so these are being eroded by a process often called "soft jihad".  For example: 

  • loss of free speech, via increased legal or media censorship and speaker intimidation
  • loss of equality in law, via special treatment for Muslims
  • loss of community policing, via  acceptance of self-regulating Islamic zones
  • loss of justice, via decadent judges and witness intimidation
  • loss of fair elections, via false voter registration and voter intimidation
  • loss of safe employment, via media directed vilification and employer intimidation (as performed e.g. by the Animal Rights movement)
  • costs and burden of security checks due to terrorism
  • burden of admin and security checks due to fraud by criminal communities
  • loss of a polite society, because some of the public are hostile and un-approachable, with hidden faces and threatening dress

Clearly Infiltration, Parasitism and Segregation also degrade Civil Society - however they are in 2 separate victim rooms.

Also, Crime and Terrorism cover the initial costs of the acts, but even if brought under control, the whole society is left with the administrative burden of extra security checks, as has happened with car insurance and aircraft journeys.

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Anyone curious as to why there aren't more Gay spokesmen to speak about Gay ethnic cleansing in Tower Hamlets, or Women to speak against FGM, need only look to this room for the reasons.

Self importance is man's greatest enemy. What weakens him is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of his fellow man. Self importance requires that one spends most of one's life offended by someone or something - Carlos Castenada

Discussion Forum

The Muslim Controlled BBC

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake on Wednesday. 27 Replies

Civil War

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jan 23. 66 Replies

BBC Bias

Started by paul collings. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 28, 2014. 10 Replies

The Death of Socialism.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Dec 25, 2014. 2 Replies

Enforcement of Sharia Law on the UK

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Nov 23, 2014. 6 Replies

Prevention of Terrorism: Censoring the Koran

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Oct 11, 2014. 3 Replies

UK: The Telegraph: Friend or Foe? - by P A Murphy

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Paul Austin Murphy Jun 23, 2014. 11 Replies

UK: Brian Eno - the perfect Dhimmi

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by shiva Feb 20, 2014. 2 Replies

Bostom: Sharia Law & Blasphemy

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Feb 18, 2014. 1 Reply

Muslims Abuse Race Relations Law

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Paul Austin Murphy Feb 8, 2014. 4 Replies

The Socialist Workers Party/SWP (now Unite Against Fascism/UAF)

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on Wednesday

Right Paul, but I'm not having it!

Comment by paul collings on Wednesday

They stay because Allah promised them the whole Earth.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on Wednesday

This aysh chaudhry, The logical consequence of he and his fellow Muslims complaint (especially those born and bred in Britain) is to return to the homeland of their fathers. To put it another way, if I constantly criticised Norwegians ; their behaviour, ethics, culture, customs and laws; I would feel compelled to ask to be allowed to return to the homeland of my fathers. Why do they stay when they disapprove of and hate us and everything that we stand for? We're just not going to allow them to take over and impose Islam on us, it is just not going to happen. It is just that the incompetence of our political leadership is going to let it go so far as an open bloody ethnic conflict. I for one will be out there fighting and killing if it comes to that.

I agree with the potential terrorist aysh on one thing though, everyone has to stop apologising for Islam and see it for what it is.

Comment by paul collings on Wednesday

Its amazing that it only takes one complaint from someone moaning about how offended they are by a one line comment on face book, yet a 20 minute Diatribe that gets reported in a major online newscaster gets nothing.

This is where mass reporting is required.

Comment by Alan Lake on Wednesday

Its strange that none of the "defenders of human rights" are campaigning for Aysh Chaudhry to be fired from his job.  After all, he is endorsing supremacism, discrimination and violent murder of those who dissent, whereas others who merely make predictions with neither an endorsement nor a prescription, get hounded from their jobs.  Why is that?  Oh, of course!  He's a member of the Master Race, isn't he?  He gets a free pass.

Comment by Alan Lake on Wednesday

Top law firm employee's video diatribe against 'apologetic' Muslims in wake of Charlie Hebdo attack

Clifford Chance trainee launches 'venomous' 20-minute YouTube rant against the 'kuffars', urging fellow Muslims not to become 'enslaved' by the West

Aysh Chaudhry, a trainee at Clifford Chance, appears in 20 minute long video on YouTube Photo: YouTube
Camilla Turner By Camilla Turner11:39AM GMT 19 Jan 2015

A top international law firm employee has launched an online diatribe against “apologetic” moderate Muslims in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris.
Aysh Chaudhry, a trainee at Clifford Chance, appears in a 20-minute video on Youtube, delivered mainly in English but interspersed with Arabic, in which he claimed that Islam is “superior” to Western ideologies and uses the word "kuffar" repeatedly, a term for non-Muslims often regarded as pejorative.
The video is introduced by the same Arabic chant that is used on many jihadist websites including Al-Qaeda and Isis, and translates as: "Islam has become for us a religion and the entire universe is home for us".
Mr Chaudry says he is addressing the "events in Paris that have taken place over the last few days", which he condemns, and criticises Muslims whose minds have become "colonised" by the West.
The 22-year-old, who earns a salary of £40,500, urges his "brothers and sisters" to move away from the “apologetic tone" adopted by some Muslims following the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris, adding that they should "have confidence in Islam because we are enslaved otherwise.”

He calls freedom of speech a "bankrupt ideology", adding: "We are becoming infatuated with the civilisation of the kuffar and their beliefs and their values and indeed we have latched on to these.
"Now you know who you are if you are of those who state 'I will die to protect your freedom and I believe in freedom of speech'.
"But understand that it is not the Islamic response to this issue. It represents a defeatist mentality, brothers and sisters."
Mr Chaudhry, who lives with his parents and sister in Walthamstow in east London, continues: “Brothers and sisters, we would not be here had it not been for the fact that the kuffar had gone to our lands and killed our people and raped and pillaged our resources.”
He concludes by calling on Muslims not to "succumb to these corrupt values that the kuffar are trying to impose on us" because "we have a supreme set of values".
According to the trainee's LinkedIn profile, which has now been taken offline, he says he gained a first-class honours degree in law from London University’s School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS).
His father, Zahur Ahmed,48, and mother, Bushra Almas, 43, both of whom are British, have been running Atrium Park Developments, a property, IT and events business in east London since 2004.
His sister, 21-year-old Afia, is a History student at SOAS where she is president of the Muslim Students Association. Last week she wrote an article titled "Freedom of speech is an ideological construct" in which she also questions the Muslim response to the Hebdo attack.
Mr Chaudhry's video was posted on January 11 from an account called "Call of Dawah" and was viewed more than 700 times before it was set to “private” three days later when Legal Cheek wrote a report about it.
However, the full video has since re-surfaced on YouTube on an account called “Magic 2015″. The full 21 minute 45 second video can be seen here:

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 16, 2015 at 12:02

I do miss being allowed to comment on the Huffington Post, there is so much I would like to have said there, and I used to derive some pleasure in doing so. But no I am banned forever.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 10, 2015 at 12:01
Comment by Antony on January 9, 2015 at 22:37
Comment by Antony on January 7, 2015 at 14:35

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Muslim Terrorism Count

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Mission Overview

Most prosperous Western societies are based on a model we call the Secular Democratic Marketplace (SDM). Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the principal agents exploiting these defects, is Islam. Therefore, this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them. So 4F gives only a brief overview of how far it has advanced and by what methods.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close the 4 vulnerabilities in the standard model of SDM, by making them Self-Protecting (SP) according to Hobbes's first law of nature.
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Religion
Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)
4. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed only if it can be shown not to favour any party

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