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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Here's a comment by a muslim law professor in the U.S. (hoping that the ECHR in the…"

Joe replied Sep 14, 2013 to ECHR: sharia law incompatible with democracy

7 Sep 14, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake

"In May 2013, they moved the documents to this page: http://www.echr.coe.int/Pages/ho…"

Joe replied Sep 14, 2013 to ECHR: sharia law incompatible with democracy

7 Sep 14, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake

"The academic who recommended this book was talking to me as he observed an EDL demo.…"

Joe replied Jul 9, 2013 to "Religious Muslims Don't Become Terrorists" - Lauded Academic

39 Mar 17, 2016
Reply by Alan Lake

"  The other facts they are ignoring are that the MB has had more than just the mosqu…"

Joe replied Jul 6, 2013 to Egyptions protest against Obama's support of MB Fascism

7 Jul 7, 2013
Reply by Antony

"I have not heard that EDL had any plans to protest against this man. I wonder if ind…"

Joe replied Feb 27, 2013 to Assassination: The Neo-Fascist Left Learn From Islam

4 Feb 27, 2013
Reply by paul collings

"I recognise that.  But it is the attitude of dhimmitude expressed by the journalist…"

Joe replied Feb 9, 2013 to Denmark: Journalists support Fascist assassination attempt on director of Free Press Society

3 Feb 9, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake

" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57567996-504083/floyd-lee-co... This shows h…"

Joe replied Feb 8, 2013 to Assassination: The Neo-Fascist Left Learn From Islam

4 Feb 27, 2013
Reply by paul collings

"Note how the far-left BBC & The Guardian report on this assassination.  They mak…"

Joe replied Feb 7, 2013 to Assassination: The Neo-Fascist Left Learn From Islam

4 Feb 27, 2013
Reply by paul collings

"Paul, I've met other Sikhs at demos.  There was the woman who did the speech at the…"

Joe replied Jan 20, 2013 to Don't believe the rumours, believe the lies.

6 Jan 20, 2013
Reply by paul collings

"http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/uk/forum/topics/sikh-girls-being-groomed-by Of cours…"

Joe replied Jan 19, 2013 to Don't believe the rumours, believe the lies.

6 Jan 20, 2013
Reply by paul collings

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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