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Kuffarphobia via Free Speech Attack & Deceit


Kuffarphobia via Free Speech Attack & Deceit

Civil society has many benefits we take for granted. These are being eroded by a process often called "soft jihad".  For example: 

  • loss of free speech, via increased legal or media censorship and speaker intimidation. The Islamic term for this is riddah
  • loss of equality in law, via special treatment for Muslims
  • loss of community policing, via  acceptance of self-regulating Islamic zones
  • loss of justice, via decadent judges and witness intimidation
  • loss of fair elections, via false voter registration and voter intimidation
  • loss of safe employment, via media directed vilification and employer intimidation (as performed e.g. by the Animal Rights movement)
  • costs and burden of security checks due to terrorism
  • burden of admin and security checks due to fraud by criminal communities
  • loss of a polite society, because some of the public are hostile and un-approachable, with hidden faces and threatening dress

This room should be split into two: one for Free Speech and the other for Deceit and False Flag Ops (FFO). This will be done later.  Also, Infiltration, Parasitism and Segregation also degrade Civil Society - however they are in 2 separate victim rooms.

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Anyone curious as to why there aren't more Gay spokesmen to speak about Gay ethnic cleansing in Tower Hamlets, or Women to speak against FGM, need only look to this room for the reasons.

Self importance is man's greatest enemy. What weakens him is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of his fellow man. Self importance requires that one spends most of one's life offended by someone or something - Carlos Castenada

N.B. Nesriin (the poetess) has already closed her channel due to excessive trolling. The above video is from a mirror site.

Discussion Forum

Outlawing Words and Symbols

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe Jun 12. 10 Replies

The Muslim Controlled BBC (MC-BBC)

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony May 23. 81 Replies

Speaker's Corner: Status and Events

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Apr 15. 4 Replies

Martin Sellner, Tommy Robinson, Speakers Corner.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Mar 23. 7 Replies

Censorship by Google / Youtube

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 25. 2 Replies

Censorship by Facebook

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 9. 2 Replies

Censorship by Twitter

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jan 13. 1 Reply

The Post-Dialogue World

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Oct 25, 2017. 3 Replies

Tim Burton Jailed.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Kinana Aug 6, 2017. 5 Replies

Civil War

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony May 3, 2017. 79 Replies

Geert Wilders: Speeches and Incidents

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 3, 2017. 5 Replies

Free speech, free expression.

Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Alan Lake May 2, 2016. 2 Replies


Started by Philip Smeeton. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Apr 25, 2016. 1 Reply

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Comment by Antony on December 30, 2013 at 12:05
Comment by Joe on December 11, 2013 at 16:25

And the current President of Russia is a former KGB agent.  And Stalin was an agent of the czar's secret police.  

Hitler too first encountered "The German Workers Party" through his activities as a covert surveillance operative of the German state.

The problem with the state increasing its surveillance and restrictions of individual rights, is that it plays into the hands of dictators.

Comment by Kinana on December 11, 2013 at 15:56

re surveilance i believe that when the Bolshiveks took over Russian they used the same apparatus of the Czar for spying and torture etc. and improved on it of course.  the name just changed to KGB.

Comment by Joe on December 11, 2013 at 15:41

I agree Paul. The incident I posted over in the Swedish room shows that the Left really don't care about privacy vs. surveillance, provided that it is their enemies who are being kept under surveillance.  In that story, you have the Left actually employing commercial investigators to do hacking.

It is crystal clear to me now, that the Left have no principles.  On almost every one of their issues, one can find clear evidence of their hypocrisy.  This is not just incidental hypocrisy, but a full volte-face on principles.

However, we can link to their stories and discuss the evidence they publicise.  Even people like Casuals United showed far more perspicacity than the Leftist lawyers of "Liberty".  CU pointed out that CRASBOs were being used on EDL supporters 2 years ago.  When the Left gloried in this, CU pointed out that CRASBOs would in turn be used on the Left.  Within months, that was indeed the case.  Suddenly the Left were outraged at the use of CRASBOs.

Comment by Paul Austin Murphy on December 11, 2013 at 12:30


I can fully understand the massive problem with surveillance in contemporary society and also how the government cannot resist increasing its political and ideological power through such info totalitarianism.

The problem is that many of the people who go on about the NSA and "government surveillance" are not very honest about their motivations. For example, I think that the prime motivations are to attack governments that don't uphold their own ideologies - which is fair enough. Also, these people are not against surveillance in the abstract - they are are against surveying the wrong kind of people (immigrants, Muslims, blacks, Leftist activists, etc.).

Check out the bottom of the American Civil Liberties website, in your link, and see how DEEPLY POLITICAL these people are. There is stuff about "racial justice', 'immigrants rights', etc. In other words, it's just another Leftist means to get at a government that's not "progressive" enough for them. There is nothing on the list at the bottom about the rights of right-wing groups or the abuse of surveillance when its applied to possible right-wing terrorist groups and patriot parties. There is nothing about the Tea Party being surveyed.

These people actually believe in surveillance and, in fact, if the government were Leftist or progressive enough for them, they would help it survey the EDL and counter-jihadist groups and individuals. That's why I have a problem.

Still, you can separate the political motivations of the American Civil Liberties Group, and our own Liberty (Shami Chakrabarti's outfit), from the reality that surveillance is increasing and that is definitely not a good thing.

Comment by Joe on December 11, 2013 at 11:16
Comment by Antony on December 10, 2013 at 22:11
Comment by Joe on December 6, 2013 at 11:51

I remember reading a few years back, that large corporations had started to ban their staff from taking their phones on journeys to China.  This was because the companies believed, that without even being touched, the phones could be accessed to have viruses implanted on them, or to lift data off them.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 6, 2013 at 9:58

If the phone is powered on, then it is constantly linking to mobile phone masts to maintain its connection.  Thus, by triangulation, the location of the phone is known.

If in addition the phone allows its GPS chip to give a report, and the user is in view of the sky, the location will be fixed even more accurately.

If you have powered your phone off, generally speaking, your location will not be given away.  However, there are some loopholes.  For example, if someone has managed to tamper with your phone, it can still emit a signal.  It was to avoid this possibility that the Muslim EDL demo bombers left their phones behind.

There is also a possibility, I think, of RFID location, at small ranges, if the government starts sprinkling RFID detectors all over the place.  The RFID chips are powered by the detector beam that is shone at them, so it doesn't even need a battery, never mind need to be switched on!

Comment by Tony Ashworth on December 6, 2013 at 7:27
I don't often comment. I enjoy the emails coming through of people's comments though. Use them to educate others. As for this thread I'm seriously thinking about going back to a Stone Age Nokia. Not keen on being scrutinized.

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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