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Two recent stories make me pose this question.  The stories are:

Islamic radical shot dead by anti-terrorism police in France after ...

And

France Seeks to Reclaim 'No-Go' Zones

From the first story:

‘It was part of a nationwide counter-terrorist operation aimed at capturing the gang responsible for planting a low explosive device in a kosher food shop in the northern Paris suburb of Sarcelles on September 19th.

‘A judicial source in the French capital said all the men targeted today were thought to be members of a secretive Salafist group.’

From the second story:

‘The French government has announced a plan to boost policing in 15 of the most crime-ridden parts of France in an effort to reassert state control over the country's so-called "no-go" zones: Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off limits to non-Muslims.’

H/T to Miche

The explicit recognition of the Islamically inspired reaction to this crime tsunami is a welcome development on the part of the State security forces.  They are not just talking about run-of-mill gangs and criminals but of people who follow Mohammed, are inspired by his ‘perfect’ example, and take instructions from the Qur'an ‘to strike fear in the hearts of non-Muslims.’ Qur'an 8:12

So it seems that there is a growing recognition on the part of the security forces that they are up against a different type of enemy.  They should look to their history for guidance, e.g. Tours.  The pushers of Sharia-land in France are up against a force that appears to call them by their right name.  That is good news for all of us. 

However, for the French State to truly reclaim control over their own territory from enemies within will, I suspect, require more resolve than they are up to.  I hope I am wrong but I fear there will be compromise, accommodation and more ‘sensitivity training.’  But they have started a process now which they must win.  Anything short of complete victory and the destruction of the no-go zones in their own country will mean surrender to the forces of jihad.

On another point: The Muslim vote was crucial in voting in the French President Hollande who was fully supportive of the latest police actions.  How this will work out in the larger political scene and in the long term I cannot venture to guess. 

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 The Muslim vote was crucial in voting in the French President Hollande who was fully supportive of the latest police actions.

Now this must have quite a few puzzled

Afghan bid to 'de-friend' France

Afghan senators have tried to remove the word "friendship" from a strategic pact with France, after arguing that Islamic teachings state Muslims cannot be friends with infidels.

A French soldier and up to 10 Taliban fighters were killed in an early morning ambush and subsequent firefight during a joint operation on Tuesday with the Afghan army in Kapisa province,.
French soldiers of NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and an Afghan policeman Photo: EPA/S. SABAWOON

France and Afghanistan signed the 20-year "friendship and co-operation treaty" earlier this year as a commitment that Paris would not abandon the country after its combat troops leave at the end of 2012.

France has been one of the largest contributors to the Nato-led coalition and has seen 88 of its soldiers killed in the past 11 years.

However when the agreement reached the Afghan senate this week, a group of senators tried to remove the word friendship before it was ratified.

"Some senators said that based on Sharia rulings we cannot use the word friendship with infidels, so after voting the word friendship was replaced with relationship," Senator Zahra Sharifi told the AFP news agency.

A spokesman for the senate speaker said the attempt was only a recommendation because the house lacked the power to alter the agreement. He said the objectors were a small minority of senators.

"We argued, we said that France has been a close friend of Afghanistan for a very long time," said Mohammad Alam Ezedyar, chair of the senate session.

"Some senators disagreed, but the important thing is that the pact was approved, and will be sent to the foreign ministry."

A foreign ministry spokesman, Faramerz Tamana, told AFP the treaty would be sent to France who would decide whether or not to accept the change.

The agreement has already been ratified by the French parliament and the lower house of the Afghan parliament.

But surely these Afghan senators have got it wrong and have mis-interpreted the Quran

Qur'an 3.28

Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

But if Muslims cannot be 'friends' in Afghanistan how can Muslims be friends in France or even good citizens?

Posted on 10/08/2012 12:37 PM by Nidra Poller
Monday, 8 October 2012
Update from France: 11 (not 10) Salafist Jihadis Arrested, 1 killed

In fact 11 jihadis were arrested and 1 was killed on October 6th. A 12th suspect was arrested today, some of the original batch were released, it’s hard to keep track. Information is slowly leaking into the news stream but no matter how much we learn the best is yet to come. There’s the human interest angle: someone found another one of Jérémie’s “wives.” This one is in Cannes, where the Louis-Sydney cell had its headquarters. Like almost all the other family members or friends, she testified from the neck down. Strange impression of all these “beheaded” witnesses! Her coquettish hijab can be discerned, but her pregnant belly is in your face, pushing against a fashionable knitted top. Unlike the Strasbourg wife she is not in niqab. The sobbing pregnant Cannes wife--who has a one year-old child—says Jérémie asked her to name their daughter Soumaya and raise her “in the religion.” She will respect his wishes. His death has fortified her faith. She didn’t know anything about his radical activities. He had gone to Strasbourg to see the mother of his son, that’s normal. N.B. these two unwed mothers, and others that might turn up as the investigation proceeds, will most likely live on government subsidies. That’s normal too? The latest count is five children with three different women.

Sunday morning a delegation of Jewish community leaders met first with Interior Minister Manuel Valls and then spent an hour with the president who made a brief and strangely halting public statement after the meeting. The government is determined to stamp out racism and anti-Semitism. No word or deed will escape its vigilance. But of course there must be no confusion between these terrorists and the vast majority of Muslims in France who must not be stigmatized. Joel Mergui, president of the Consistoire said that he and his colleagues have good relations with the Muslim community in general and never stigmatize. However he would like Muslim officials and imams to unambiguously condemn this murderous hatred of Jews.

To date, the only one who has condemned it is Dalil Boubaker, rector of the Great Mosque of Paris, considered an Uncle Mo by Islamic militants of all stripes. Mohamed Moussaoui, president of the Muslim umbrella organization spoke up… to condemn the (anticipated) confusion between Islam in all its goodness and these criminals. For three days running, the arrest of the Sydney Salafist cell has been the top news item in all media. This morning the newspapers are filling in details that were skirted in the weekend reports, with as many as five foreground and background stories plus interviews and editorials in each of the major dailies. We learn, for example, that Louis-Sydney scolded his Côte d’Azur wife, the one who doesn’t wear niqab, for her insufficient respect for the rules and regulations of Islam. Interior Minister Valls has suggested that there will be more arrests in the near future. It is possible that one more member of the dismantled cell is on the loose, perhaps fighting the jihad in Syria. Estimates are thrown about but one can be sure the figures are changing as we write. With comical certainty officials and experts are claiming that approximately 200 out of the ten or twelve thousand Salafists in France are as dangerous as the ones who were just arrested. Two hundred enraged murderous Jew haters, armed to kill, and determined to go down as shahids? Is that supposed to be reassuring?

It explains the mixture of relief and apprehension that stirs our hearts. A brief moment of relief at Saturday’s arrests, followed by the chilling thought of how many of the same ilk are still out there stirring their fiendish cauldron. How long will it take to find them, bring them in for questioning, make a case against them, and put them in prison, where… ah! …where it seems they got “radicalized” in the first place. Though this detail has been refined too. It seems (no surprise to us) that opportunities for “radicalization” abound. If I use the term “radicalization,” with or without quotation marks, I am simply transmitting the terms currently employed. The nitty gritty will be revealed in the wake of this flash flood prise de conscience. Those of us who have been working with all our might for the past twelve years to demonstrate the connection between the al Dura blood libel, anti-Zionism, violence against Jews, and the will to destroy French society are almost weeping to see and hear the terms correctly linked by political leaders and, yes, journalists. The dam has burst. The reluctance of the first hours that I mentioned in my earlier dispatch has been swept away and dozens of our mainstream colleagues can say anti-Semitism without choking.

Opposition leaders Jean-François Copé and François Fillon, currently vying for the presidency of the UMP party, stand with the Hollande government on this issue. Copé is calling for a united front against terrorism (yes, friends, I know, it’s jihad, but give them time…) Reader’s comments on various sites carry the same message.  My intuition was that the savage murder of parachutists and Jews by the homegrown jihadi Mohamed Merah marked a turning point in France similar to the rafle du Vel d’Hiv in 1942. The collaborationist government pursued its evil reign; the French police arrested Jews, sent them to local camps from which they were transported to the Nazi death camps;  neighbors denounced Jews and stole their property, but something changed, support for the résistance increased, more people were willing to take great risks to protect and hide Jews. Today, France is still a sovereign nation. Under the influence of Islam but not occupied. The résistance can develop within major political parties that have the power to impose the will of the people.

The connection between the latest batch of homegrown jihadis and Mohamed Merah is now widely accepted.  We know that Merah introduced the video of his savage murders with a medley of images of Palestinian children allegedly killed in cold blood by Israeli soldiers. Now we learn that Yann Nkusa, believed to be Jérémie Louis-Sydney’s accomplice in the attack on the Naouri grocery store in Sarcelles, posted a similar medley on his Facebook page. Whether or not the al Dura image actually figures in these creations, it is the prime source of all the other fakes, including the one with a soldier holding a gun to the head of a supine Palestinian child that appears in Nkusa’s photo gallery. In fact that soldier is not Israeli and the incident was street theater but, like all the others of the genre, it draws its legitimacy from the al Dura fake news report broadcast on France 2 on September 30, 2000.

Richard Prasquier, president of the CRIF, and Sammy Ghozlan, president of the BNVCA were among those invited to meet Valls and Holland eths Sunday. They are also among those who have been valiantly trying to make the French government aware of the connection between the al Dura blood libel and this endless series of violence against Jews. Has the hour of truth finally arrived? I will try to get some inside information after the end of Succoth on Tuesday evening. How appropriate: on Succoth we celebrate the harvest (in this case, it includes jihadis) and at the same time renew our awareness of the fragility of our solidly constructed habitations.

Factual information comes in dribs and drabs. You have to follow all the media to get any half way coherent picture of what is going on. I found out today that Jérémie Louis-Sydney had five children by three different wives. And more on the way.  Some members of the cell are believed to be in Syria. Investigators are following threads from the cell dismantled this weekend, which will probably lead them to other similar groups. Latest reports say that 8 people are still detained for questioning. And internal security services will certainly be more serious about surveillance of potential perpetrators. Le Monde reports that one of the cell members displayed on Facebook his admiration for Ansar Al-Sharia spokesman, the Tunisian Hassan Brik, who has since been arrested and charged with organizing the attack on the American Embassy in Tunis ( September 14th). It seems that French jihadis are hooked on Facebook and Twitter, and not very careful about what they post. Merci, that should facilitate surveillance.

I had been wondering how Jérémie Louis-Sydney knew the police were coming last Saturday at 6 AM. There was no minute of surprise, not even a second. They came through the door and he emptied the barrel of his Magnum 357. In a way, it’s fortunate: the policemen were protected by their gear from what would have been fatal gunshot wounds and the shootout proved to the reticent that these people are truly dangerous and Jews are not their only targets. But how did he know? A neighbor tells that he heard loud noises in front of the building, opened the shutters, and saw the police standing in front of the entry to the building. They asked him to buzz them in. If the unsuspecting neighbor heard the tumult at 6 AM we might suppose that the gun-toting jihadi heard it too.

Former anti-terrorist judge Jean-Louis Bruguière tells le Figaro daily that the Salafist demonstration in front of the American embassy (September 15) was “the first visible manifestation of deep rooted radical Islamism in our western societies…” Manuel Valls had said he was shocked by the anti-Semitic slogans repeated that day (and ignored by the media, back then, before the dismantlement of a jihad cell made it all so clearly visible). The interior minister promises to get properly trained Muslim chaplains for the prisons and proper French-trained imams for the mosques. Man-outside-the-mosque interviews are popping up on television. You won’t be surprised to learn that they all say this violence has nothing to do with Islam. Did anyone think of asking them whether the violence in Mali has anything to do with Islam? How about Nigeria? Does radical Islam have anything to do with Islam?  An ironclad barrier is still erected against this vital question. It will give way too.

Posted on 10/08/2012 12:37 PM by Nidra Poller

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/44343

on the other hand:

As Islamic outrages multiply, PC France remains adamant: This has nothing to do with Islam.

PARIS. Islam, où est le problème? [literally, Islam, where is the problem?]. In the wake of the latest spate of Islamic rage operations, Yves Calvi, one of our most decent journalists, made an honest effort to squarely face the question. Though he tried as usual to include a broad range of guests, the September 24th broadcast of his political discussion program "Mots Croisés" was a mismatch, with philosopher Alain Finkielkraut fending off a barrage of accusations from all sides. Accusations, of course, against us, not against Islam.

The very possibility that Islam might be a problem was evacuated early on. The majority of Muslims in France are law-abiding well-integrated members of society. The proof? French Muslims did not react violently to Charlie Hebdo's caricatures of Muhamed. Consequently, the problem is not Islam and Islam is not a problem. The problem is the failure of French society to integrate immigrants and make them feel at home. The problem is the stigmatization of Muslim immigrants down to the third and fourth generation, relegated to ghettoes, victims of discrimination in the job market, subjected to humiliating ID controls, constantly suspected of criminality.



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Le Monde: 'The Muslim religion is the subject of a profound rejection by the French'

Andrew Bostom

Yesterday (1/24/13), Le Monde (hat tip Religion of Peace) published IPSOS survey results of French public attitudes towards Islam under the self-explanatory headline, "La religion musulmane fait l'objet d'un profond rejet de la part des Français" ["The Muslim religion is the subject of a profound rejection by the French"].

The key findings, expressed in Le Monde's characterization, with "unusual clarity" by the French populace, reveal:

  • 74% of those surveyed believe Islam is an intolerant religion

  • 80% maintain Islam attempts to impose its dictates upon others

  • 54% also claim that individual Muslims are fundamentalist, predominantly (10%), or at least partly (44%), in their attitudes.  

This latter claim comports with a remarkably candid observation by Gamal al-Banna.

The eccentric, secular-leaning nonagenarian Egyptian gadfly, whose older sibling and jihadist "martyr" Hasan al-Banna founded the Muslim Brotherhood, remarked during a 2011 interview, "most Muslims today are Salafis." Gamal al-Banna attributed this mass Muslim phenomenon to the 10th century onset "closure of the gates of  ijtihad " (ijtihad  being the process whereby the most select, learned Muslim legists were allowed narrow interpretive "flexibility" regarding Sharia mandates), leaving the preponderance of Muslims, ever since, to blindly follow mainstream, traditionalist, i.e., "Salafi," interpretations of Islam.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/le_monde_the_muslim_rel... 

Gamal al-Banna's views would accord with those of Quilliam, who said that 20 of the major muslim organisations in Britain could be classified as islamo-nazi.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/34834977/Secret-Quilliam-Memo-to-government

http://t.co/AusQx0Ue

Well theres push back in Mali. The french have sped their way to Timbuktu, and found all the History missing or destoryed.  But thats the least of their problems. The islamists are still there somewhere. They won't disapear.

And what about any backlash? Will there be revenage on the streets of Europe, or will it just stay the same. Child grooming, riots for cartoons and films, cars burnt out, rapes, honour killing, acid attacks, threats and intimidation. Wouldn't want there to be a backlash as well.

 

Maybe those on the inside know that what they are doing in Mali is simple preparation for what is or will be needed on the home front.

http://t.co/b94X9lhNnR

70% of the  French believe they will be forced to submit to Islam. If they don't like the Idea of that then a lot of people will have to take a deep breath and vote National Front. 

If 70% have realised Islam is a problem, and your only choice is to vote for the one party that will put a stop to the erosion of French Indentity  who should they vote for. Or should they just let their Country fall to Islam just so they don't have to vote a right wing party in.

For that matter, are we all going to self destruct rather than vote for a party that is considered far right.   

Paul, that link you provided is the most depressing story I have read in long time.

http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/polls-show-that-mo...

'The number of Jews leaving France is steadily increasing. French people who have the financial means also leave the country.'

This is what happens when NO ONE takes responsibility for a country.  Short-term thinking and solutions means that victory will be granted to the long-term actors and thinkers.  Soon enough there will be no place to run to, and then what? 

I still hold out hope that the spirit of France of Charles Mattel still live in the souls of the vast majority of French people and will awaken one day soon.

There are so many French people living in London, that the capital of Britain is now the 6th city of France.

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