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Gay Victims of Kuffarphobia

We work to protect Gay people from the neo-fascists of the political left and the religious right.

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Forcing People to be Transsexual

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2014. 1 Reply

The new Egypt.

Started by paul collings. Last reply by paul collings Nov 2, 2014. 8 Replies

The Complicity of the Gay Media

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Mar 19, 2014. 6 Replies

Why Cameron Disowned Douglas Murray

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2012. 6 Replies

Douglas Murray: What are we to do about Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Dec 21, 2012. 1 Reply

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Comment by Alan Lake 9 hours ago
Tear gas, arrests reported in Istanbul as activists flock to banned Gay Pride march (PHOTOS, VIDEO)
https://www.rt.com/news/348491-turkey-lgbt-protest-police
Comment by Alan Lake on June 18, 2016 at 21:31

Milo podcasts - definitely worth subscribing :-)

http://www.breitbart.com/podcasts/milo/

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 18, 2016 at 10:15

Alan, the description you give of Owen Jones fits I think every islamophile.

Mohammed said; kill homosexuals, kill apostates, kill non-believers, kill jews, kill anyone that is not the right sort of muslim.

Really it should be enough to just quote these commands-to-kill in order to canvince anyone that Islam is criminal.

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’"

Tabari [7:97] The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." 

Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  

No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver."

Comment by Alan Lake on June 18, 2016 at 2:18

What an impressive article. There is little I could add, it says it all.

Anyway the video with Owen Jones gave me a good laugh before going to bed.

"After an incident like this, people who are nothing to do with Gay Rights just jump on the bandwagon"

So this massacre is a popular trend, and others are joining it so they can share in its success and enthusiasm? Well Owen, I'll be brutally honest here, this tragedy isn't my idea of something I'd like to join, in order to have part of its success, popularity and reward.

'The shooter obviously has some twisted conception of Islamic Fundamentalism'

OK Owen, now you've really got me. Is it that Islamic Fundamentalism is OK but the shooter has a twisted conception of it? Like you are supposed to throw Gays off building, stone them to death, or burn them alive - but heaven forbid you should shoot them! I mean, have some Islamic decency for Allah's sake!
Or is it that the shooter has the correct understanding of Islamic Fundamentalism, but Islamic fundamentalism is bad for Gays? Its as if he used a double negative in a sentence, and ended up saying the opposite of what he wanted to say.

Owen Jones obviously has a very small brain to start with, I think that's clear to anyone watching his chimpanzee antics. Well, he'd be ok if he kept to a single consistent narrative. But when he tries to weave conflicting threads like protection of gays with an unconditional defence of all Islam and Muslim people, I don't think even Einstein could manage that very easily.

But that's not his only problem. He's also a scared little schoolboy. So, he's ducking and diving now trying to avoid being tarred as 'Islamophobic' by all his fellow virtue signallers, but also now fearful of his very own personage becoming a target of some Muslim thug (NTDWI) - who of course, would only be acting a 'lone wolf' and it would be impossible to connect with Islamic theology, Muslim preachers in the UK, or the practice of Islamic states worldwide.

I would love to see a truly brave, and also highly intelligent person like Milo, tear this pathetic, cowardly quisling to pieces.

Comment by Joe on June 17, 2016 at 16:38

This shows that what happened in Orlando was just a point on a trajectory.

http://www.pmclauth.com/articles/why-orlando-mass-murder-was-predic...

Comment by Antony on June 17, 2016 at 6:11

Dear Gays - the left betrayed you for islam ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlqXgXwzkPg&feature=em-uploademail

Comment by Antony on June 16, 2016 at 8:26

London muslim called for gays to be thrown off buildings ; http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/680364/London-extremist-called-for...

Comment by Antony on June 16, 2016 at 5:54
Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 15, 2016 at 17:48

It is amazing how the press are falling over themselves in their eagerness to excuse Islam, protect and defend muslims and acquit them.

The line is that the Orlando terrorist was merely a violently conflicted homosexual that could not accept his sexuality.

 Now this man was also checking out disney-world as a target, I doubt that he was really gay, I think he was just doing a thorough job in selecting his target and building up motivation. He hated gays with a passion, as ISIS does.

He was a muslim and swore his allegiance to a terrorist organization, carrying out these murders in the name of Islam.

It was the sort of isolated-terrorist deed that Al-Qaeda and ISIS has been asking muslims everywhere to carry out. There is no direct link to other terrorists, the connection is to the ideology of Islam, the terror and hate that it teaches and the commands that islamist terrorists issue.

Homosexuality is not to blame, Islam is to blame.

There will be more lone-wolf and terrorist cell attacks on us.

They have for a long time now been asking muslims in Western countries to enter normal family homes and cut the throats of every family member, in the name of Allah.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 15, 2016 at 15:33

Look how the weak kuffar respond to the latest Islamic cull of their most despised members.  And yes, it is a cull, since "they are like cattle" and are "the lowest of creatures".

Pulse owner promises to reopen club: ‘We will not let hate win’

This is just like Obama who refuses to use the words Islamic and Terror in the same sentence.  So we have a war on 'terror', whatever that is, some mythical force that has arisen from the underworld, and we must use all our powers of white magic to combat it.  But heaven forbid that there should be some war on the warlike ideology of Islam, or on violent Muslim terrorists, or the orthodox Islam ideology of the Islamic State.

In the same way, the Pulse club owner says "we will not let hate win" ,but dare not even say "we will not let Islamic terror" win.  She is not only afraid of Muslim terrorists, but is even afraid of being labelled 'Islamophobic' by the quisling army of liberals and SJWs.  This very statement itself reveals the cowardice and ineffectiveness of her kuffar response.

Cameron is no better, criticising the attack as one of homophobic hatred.  No connection to kuffarophobia then?

 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Expenditure
The government can spend money in any way it wants  - except one where the debt burden passes across generations (20 years)
4. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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