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Muslims posted 'nasty and frightening' anti-gay leaflets demanding homosexuals 'turn or burn'

Muslims posted 'nasty and frightening' anti-gay leaflets demanding homosexuals 'turn or burn'
Five Muslim men distributed “threatening, frightening and nasty” leaflets depicting gay men being executed in an attempt to encourage hatred against homosexuals, a court has heard.
Ihjaz Ali, one of five men who are to go on trial accused of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation in the first prosecution of its kind Photo: PA

By Nick Britten

1:49PM GMT 10 Jan 2012

The men posted leaflets, with titles including “Turn or Burn”, “God abhors you” and “The Death Penalty?”, through doors and handed them out at a mosque, calling for the death penalty to be introduced for homosexuality.

Another leaflet that police found, entitled “Dead Derby”, described homosexuality as a "vile, ugly, cancerous disease" and asked the question "Gay Today, Paedophile Tomorrow?"

One witness, a gay man who was given one of the leaflets, and who cannot be named to protect his identity, told the court he "felt like I was going to get burned", adding: "I've never seen anything so disgraceful. It made me feel physically sick."

In the first prosecution of its kind after legislation covering hate crimes were amended in 2010 to take into account homophobia, the men are accused of stirring up hatred due to sexual orientation.

The court heard there were four different leaflets produced ahead of a Gay Pride parade in Derby, three of which were distributed. All were professionally produced and in colour.

One entitled “Turn or Burn” featured a blazing lake as an image of hell. The leaflet referred to the 13th and 14th centuries when, it claimed, homosexuals were buried or burned alive.

Another, entitled “God Abhors You – Gay”, warned of "severe punishment" for homosexuals and those who "remain silent about the evil."

The leaflet which formed the basis of the charges, entitled “The Death Penalty?”, featured a hanged mannequin and claimed that "Allah permits the destruction" of those who allow homosexuality and those who practise it.

The leaflet added that "the death sentence" had "already been passed on every homosexual" and that "the only question is how it should be carried out". Methods suggested included execution, burning, hanging or stoning.

The “Dead Derby” leaflet was not distributed, the court heard.

Bobbie Cheema, prosecuting, said: “Just consider also for a moment how anyone who is homosexual would feel to see that such material is being distributed in their street, to their neighbours who may or may not be tolerant of differences in lifestyles?”

She said the leaflets went “well beyond” any expression of religious beliefs or “temperate discussion” and added: “One of the ways in which we organise our society can be summed up in the common phrase, 'live and let live'.

“This case is all about the antithesis of that approach to life.”

Derby Crown Court heard the men allegedly handed them out outside the Jamia Hanfia mosque in Derby after Friday prayers and posted them through the letterboxes of nearby homes a week before the parade was due to be held in the city in July 2010.

The men were arrested after police received a number of complaints from members of the public.

Miss Cheema said: “The leaflets you will see are not educational or simply informative; they are threatening, offensive, frightening and nasty."

Razwan Javed, 28, Kabir Ahmed, 28, Ihjaz Ali, 42, Umer Javed, 38, and Mehboob Hussain, 44, all from Derby, deny four counts of distributing threatening written

material intending to stir up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation contrary to Section 29c (1) of the Public Order Act 1986.

If found guilty they face a maximum sentence of seven years’ jail.

Miss Cheema said that Ali, a taxi driver and the man who organised the leaflets, had informed police he wanted to advertise a Muslim protest against the parade by distributing flyers, and was urged to take legal advice to ensure the contents of the flyers would not cause offence. Ali assured police he and his group would abide by the law.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9004998/Muslim... 

Tags: Derby, homophobia, incitement

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Seems strange to me that it has taken over 18 months for this come to trial.  In Nov 2010 Tommy & Kevin of EDL were charged with ridiculous trumped-up charges from the police, yet they have had multiple trials before this case has even come to court.

Bobbie Cheema, prosecuting, said the leaflets went “well beyond” any expression of religious beliefs 

More whitewashing the core teachings of islam

Ibn Abbas, Muhammad's cousin and highly reliable transmitter of hadith, reports the following about early Islam and Muhammad's punishment of homosexuals: . . .

'If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done' (Abu Dawud no. 4447).

This hadith passage says that homosexuals should be burned alive or have wall pushed on them:

Ibn Abbas and Abu Huraira reported God's messenger as saying, 'Accursed is he who does what Lot's people did.' In a version . . . on the authority of Ibn Abbas it says that Ali [Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law] had two peopleburned and that Abu Bakr [Muhammad's chief companion] had a wall thrown down on them. (Mishkat, vol. 1, p. 765, Prescribed Punishments)

Perhaps there was a lack of cooperation from the community?  Difficulty in getting evidence?   Even witness intimidation?

Joe said:

Seems strange to me that it has taken over 18 months for this come to trial.  In Nov 2010 Tommy & Kevin of EDL were charged with ridiculous trumped-up charges from the police, yet they have had multiple trials before this case has even come to court.

Looks like these nasty misunderstanders of true Islamic values need to be educated by some REAL muslims.

"Imaan promotes the Islamic values of peace, social justice and tolerance through its work, and aspires to bring about a world that is free from prejudice and discrimination against all Muslims and LGBT people."


.... apparently Muhammad and his messenger Allaah were wrong all along.  

The gay muslims I've debated with have said a) we don't accept all the hadiths, b) the koran does not say anything about homosexuals, only about "the people of Lot".  After some to and fro, I've had some gay muslims decide they are no longer muslims (which shows the power of educating muslims about their own religion). 

The IMAAN group have basically shopped around to find some iman who agrees with them about the non-specificity of "the people of Lot", and they are clutching to this aberrant interpretation for dear life (literally).  In the public debate, the gay muslims were completely out-manoeuvred in terms of scriptural knowledge by the fundamentalists.  The moderate (i.e. ignorant) muslims in the room ended up pleading for tolerance and compassion, with no scriptural grounds to counter the injunctions to kill the people of Lot.

These gay muslims share about as much in common with the rest of the muslim world, as those christians who claim Christ was a communist share with the Church of Rome.  Desperately deluded.

peterpedant said:

Looks like these nasty misunderstanders of true Islamic values need to be educated by some REAL muslims.

.... apparently Muhammad and his messenger Allaah were wrong all along.  

The Qur'an doesn't say anything about alot of things, including all the details of prayers, fasting, hajj, which are pillars of Islam. As you say, muslims denying the hadiths [especially the sahih variety] are a good sign they have taken the first step that will lead them to apostasy and freedom :)


Joe said:

The gay muslims I've debated with have said a) we don't accept all the hadiths, b) the koran does not say anything about homosexuals, only about "the people of Lot".  After some to and fro, I've had some gay muslims decide they are no longer muslims (which shows the power of educating muslims about their own religion). 

The IMAAN group have basically shopped around to find some iman who agrees with them about the non-specificity of "the people of Lot", and they are clutching to this aberrant interpretation for dear life (literally).

peterpedant said:

The Qur'an doesn't say anything about alot of things, including all the details of prayers, fasting, hajj, which are pillars of Islam. As you say, muslims denying the hadiths [especially the sahih variety] are a good sign they have taken the first step that will lead them to apostasy and freedom :)

There is a group called Quranists who believe the Qur'an to be the only canonical text in Islam. Quranists reject the religious authority of Hadith and often Sunnah, libraries compiled by later scholars who catalogued narratives of what the Prophet Muhammad is reported to have said and done. This is in contrast to orthodox Muslims, Shias and Sunnis, who consider hadith essential for the Islamic faith.

Many Quranist believe the hadithes disgusting, pornographic, sexist and racist 

They reject

Circumcision, either male or female, as per ayahs 95:4 and 4:119.

The death penalty for apostates, as this punishment is absent in the Quran; and discouraged in suras such as 2:256 or 18:29.

The death penalty of homosexuals. The Quran mentions no punishment for homosexuality other than in a specific reference to prophet Lut's community, a punishment which God alone administers. Quranists instead tend to view homosexuality as a sin that is punishable by God alone in the afterlife;

You,ve hit the Kaffur on the head joe, when you get ito an argument with 'a true' muslim, you get to hear the true version of the koran, and the true interprutation. I know very little about the koran, for a start i don,t understand arabic. But where every i look for information on the koran its quite obvious that the attitude to gays is at BEST hostile! and in reality is violent as the many reports and pictures of the treatment of gays prove.

Its good that the reporting in the media has mentioned the link to koranic text, lets hope the court takes this into account as well.

Lets wish the Quranists luck with their version of the islamic cult.
 
Joe said:

The gay muslims I've debated with have said a) we don't accept all the hadiths, b) the koran does not say anything about homosexuals, only about "the people of Lot".  After some to and fro, I've had some gay muslims decide they are no longer muslims (which shows the power of educating muslims about their own religion). ...

Paul, I wouldn't worry about the "not speaking arabic" thing.  Most muslims can't speak arabic.  Therefore they are reading the same Korans that we have available to us.  Those I know who do speak arabic say that the translations available to us in English have been made more moderate in translation (one can see the same thing was done with The Reliance of the Traveller, where the English-only translation omits the laws on the legality of slavery in islam, whilst the parallel English/Arabic translation contains those sections).

Bobbie Cheema, prosecuting, said: “Just consider also for a moment how anyone who is homosexual would feel to see that such material is being distributed in their street, to their neighbours who may or may not be tolerant of differences in lifestyles?” She said the leaflets went “well beyond” any expression of religious beliefs or “temperate discussion” and added: “One of the ways in which we organise our society can be summed up in the common phrase, 'live and let live'. “This case is all about the antithesis of that approach to life.” [...] Miss Cheema said that Ali, a taxi driver and the man who organised the leaflets, had informed police he wanted to advertise a Muslim protest against the parade by distributing flyers, and was urged to take legal advice to ensure the contents of the flyers would not cause offence. Ali assured police he and his group would abide by the law. 

That these muslims went to the police beforehand, and wanted to make sure that their scripturally-motivated homophobia was legal is very significant.  That the prosecuting counsel is insisting that "live and let live" is a fundament of our society and that this case is about this principle, shows that this trial is actually about the conflicts of multi-culturalism.

Note also, that the gay man who is mentioned has having been intimidated by these leaflets is having his identity protected.  What does that mean?  That he and the police fear he could be a target for assassination from these or other murderous muslims for identifying himself as gay and being part of the attempt to keep islam in its place? 

 

Bobbie Cheema said

 the leaflets went “well beyond” any expression of religious beliefs or “temperate discussion” :

 

I hope they get an expert in who can assure the court that they did not go beyond any islamic expression of religious belief.

To ignore  their own admission would be a preverssion of the truth.

 

The leaflets themselves show exactly what was on their mind, and where they got their influence.  I,m all for the principle of live and let live, except where that means you can,t apply that principle to youself. I also hope that if the case does point to conflicts of cultur that the religious intent of the crime is not forgotten. The men are british, and they will be well aware of the law of this land..

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