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Gay Victims of Kuffarphobia

We work to protect Gay people from the neo-fascists of the political left and the religious right.

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The Complicity of the Gay Media

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Jan 19, 2017. 10 Replies

The new Egypt.

Started by paul collings. Last reply by paul collings Nov 2, 2014. 8 Replies

Why Cameron Disowned Douglas Murray

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2012. 6 Replies

Douglas Murray: What are we to do about Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Dec 21, 2012. 1 Reply

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Comment by Albert Case on June 3, 2011 at 1:06

When I first read this, you could of heard my jaw hit the floor.

Welcome to the parallel universe of the galactically stupid. 


Last Friday, May 26, 2011, “Queers Against Israeli Apartheid” exercised their hard-won right to hold their meetings at New York City’s Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender (LGBT) Center. Their right to hate and to be grossly misinformed was, as usual, presented as a free speech right and as yet another victim-driven Intifada.

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Comment by Alan Lake on May 30, 2011 at 5:50
Very funny :-)
Comment by Joe on May 29, 2011 at 10:50

The latest slogans from UAF seem to suggest they have seen the error of their ways:

They just can't bring themselves to admit "we agree with EDL".


Comment by Kinana on May 27, 2011 at 14:02

“xenophobia” + “Islamophobia" = 2

“homophobia” = 1

2 > 1 and so wins!

Comment by Alan Lake on May 27, 2011 at 2:06

I just noticed this:

"“We want both homophobia and Islamophobia addressed as a collective problem and not feed one against the other, we do not recognise these as distinct categories.”

So why are there 2 distinct words then?  Are they saying those 2 words are synonyms?  It doesn't make sense.  Either the categories exist or they don't.  Their attempt to fog the issue is, as you say, just a symptom of their snivelling cowardice, apart from intellectual feebleness.

Comment by Albert Case on May 26, 2011 at 1:55

Homophobia vs. Islamophobia: Who Will Win?

The Netherlands has long been in the forefront of tolerance and support for the rights of gay people. With its institution of homosexual marriage and widespread public disapproval of gay-hatred, the Dutch have led the way for the rest of Western culture.

In recent years the cultural enrichment of major Dutch cities has caused an upsurge of violence against gays by Muslim immigrants. This trend — which has become too large to ignore completely — highlights one of the major contradictions of politically correct Multiculturalism.

According to Multiculturalism, the culture of “brown people” is above criticism. Any negative observation about their behavior is evidence of “xenophobia”, and also “Islamophobia” if they are Muslims.

According to Political Correctness, any hostility towards gays is evidence of “homophobia”.

So what happens when Muslims attack gays? Which doctrine holds the trump card?

Well, we all know the answer to that one by now — tolerance of Islam trumps everything else. Gay rights, women’s rights, children’s rights, the rights of Jews or Hindus — all are cast aside when they come into conflict with the accommodation of Islam.

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Comment by Albert on March 18, 2011 at 23:28

Concerned With Muslims, Gay Activists Cancel Parade in England

So over in England (a country), some gay activists want to cancel a gay pride parade because it will cause “community tension,” between gays and Muslims.

The march was a response to anti-gay stickers placed around town, but some worry this event could hurt Muslim feelings.

Here’s part of a letter from a group of concerned types, who claim the march will “oppress other marginalized groups.”

“We want both homophobia and Islamophobia addressed as a collective problem and not feed one against the other, we do not recognise these as distinct categories.”

So, let’s rewind: homophobia and Islamophobia are the same thing.

Okay..I gotta ask: do you think they would also group homophobia and anti-Christian attacks as one and the same? Do they see crude jokes aimed at Mormons as no different than anti-gay jokes?

No way.

So why are they embracing Muslims as marginalized brethren – and not others?

Well, for one, it’s HARDER to protest around people who “really” hate you.

So better to stay out of Islam’s way, and target the gentler dissenters, like white pudgy Christians – the people who remind you of dad, and don’t want you dead.


And so here we have fear, masked as tolerance, forcing gays into contortions even circus performers wouldn’t try.

I mean, how can the gay left defend a religion whose practitioners want gays punished? They’re joining hands with folks who, in other more extreme lands, might cut off theirs.

Anyway, let me remind you that I hate all parades, so I don’t mind if it’s cancelled.

Marching to celebrate something you “are,” as opposed to ” have achieved,” seems odd. And later, I often wake up naked in a bush.

And if you disagree with me, you’re a racist homophobe.

Comment by Kinana on February 18, 2011 at 14:33
Interesting exchange here. 

A thought re the children/parenting/demographics issue. 

The 'A' word has not yet been mentioned.  If the 'West' does not care enough about their/our unborn children as evidenced by abortion in the millions, it is not surprising to me that more nebulous concepts like democracy or free speech or sharia, etc. fail to make inroads into the consciences of the general population as quickly as we would like.

Comment by Alan Lake on February 18, 2011 at 13:29
thanks for putting a positive spin on a problem I saw as intractable :-)

Also, I'm glad to see you raising that 'costly inheritance from ancestors - bequest responsibility to descendents' issue. Lets hope that, like the military covenant, we can pull this into the public discourse.

Nobody is going to argue with you on the demographics issue.
Conversely, its a matter of fact that, like joe, I know many parents who are very concerned but just bunk out.
So we must, like you say, try to make the events more family friendly.
It won't be easy tho. At the Stoke demo I gave a speech asking all older generation to get involved. Then when some kids started destroying a police van in front of the cameras I thought WTF? and tried to stop them, & ended up in write a serious fight.
It will be a delicate balancing act.
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Comment by Albert on February 18, 2011 at 0:41

Thanks Joe.

I must differ with you in regards with child-rearing, I think it is extremely important in as far as demographics, but more importantly no civilization has sustained itself with negative or zero population growth. You must ask yourself why am I fighting for democracy and freedom? Why am I opposing the Islamofascists?    

I'll tell you why, democratic and freedom is not ours to give away. It is a gift given to us by our parent and grandparents, who fought and die for it. If we don't hand that most prestigious gift down to our children, we will all stand condemned.

To condemn future generations to, appeasement, subjugation, and death at the hands of these stunted Islamist barbarians, is to horrible to contemplate. It is better to fight now in order for our children not to have too.

On the practical side, having been a parent of 3 children, I know it can be hard for families to cope in normal circumstances. But, this should not hinder participation in events like that put on by EDL. The EDL should organized volunteer creches run by members themselves, and charter buses for family groups, look into car pooling, info could be put up on the EDL website. 

It is important that when the news media record these events they see a celebration of freedom, and the faces of happy young children and families. To many times I have seen the news media distort these demonstrations into "Just a bunch of extreme right wing football yobbos". Give them nothing to hang this stereotype on. More minorities that are threaten by Islamists. Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Agnostics, Atheist, Gays, Christians, Jews, Apostates, Women, this would be a true rainbow coalition. 

Hard core full time organizing commitment need only be a small percentage of the the said organization. Others could give time and money when they could afford it.          




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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

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These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
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