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Gay Victims of Kuffarphobia

We work to protect Gay people from the neo-fascists of the political left and the religious right.

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Forcing People to be Transsexual

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Douglas Murray: What are we to do about Islam

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Comment by Alan Lake on September 14, 2016 at 1:26

Look how the neo-fascist Stanley Sjoberg tries to hide his discrimination:

After the June 2016 terrorist attack in Orlando, Florida, in which ISIS sympathizer Omar Mateen murdered 49 people at a gay nightclub, another influential Christian pastor in Sweden, Stanley Sjöberg, wrote on his Facebook page that homosexuals should be more low-key, not to provoke Muslims. After his statement about the Orlando massacre, Sjöberg told a Christian magazine:

"But I believe that we must adapt to the multicultural way when we've brought several hundred thousand Muslims here. I believe that politicians and serious thinkers agree with me that we cannot just continue with our culture, with Pride festivals, or to drink in public. We in Europe are forced to step back to show a little more considerate attitude to the environment."

A little more considerate attitude to the environment?  So the trees and rivers are getting annoyed by Gay Pride?  It is hard to imagine a more worthless Christian pastor.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 24, 2016 at 16:13

I find leftist-liberal's and most politician's and journalist's political beliefs offensive, am I guillty of hate crime? The police seem to be pro everything that is not conservative-patriotic-nationalism. Just who are the people that are threatening the lives of police officers and throwing things at them? It's anarchists, socialists and muslims and criminals that need watching; having an opinion about sex, religion, race and politics is free speech. It is violence and threats of violence that the police should be concerned about, not honest opinion. We are allowed to be biased, it's called freedom and democracy, prejudice is not a crime until you start exterminating people. Live and let live.

Comment by Antony on August 23, 2016 at 14:25
Comment by Alan Lake on August 4, 2016 at 14:07
Gay Syrian man beheaded and mutilated in Turkey

I guess that can't be the same 'Turkey' that Queers for Palestine and all the fascist left support because it illegaly ships tunnel construction materials to Gaza? I must be getting mixed up.

After all, we all know that Islam is a religion of peace and protector of human rights, especially the rights of women and gays.
Comment by Antony on July 20, 2016 at 16:05
Comment by Antony on June 27, 2016 at 18:29
Comment by Alan Lake on June 26, 2016 at 19:12
Tear gas, arrests reported in Istanbul as activists flock to banned Gay Pride march (PHOTOS, VIDEO)
Comment by Alan Lake on June 18, 2016 at 21:31

Milo podcasts - definitely worth subscribing :-)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 18, 2016 at 10:15

Alan, the description you give of Owen Jones fits I think every islamophile.

Mohammed said; kill homosexuals, kill apostates, kill non-believers, kill jews, kill anyone that is not the right sort of muslim.

Really it should be enough to just quote these commands-to-kill in order to canvince anyone that Islam is criminal.

Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.’"

Tabari [7:97] The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." 

Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  

No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 - [Muhammad said] "Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver."

Comment by Alan Lake on June 18, 2016 at 2:18

What an impressive article. There is little I could add, it says it all.

Anyway the video with Owen Jones gave me a good laugh before going to bed.

"After an incident like this, people who are nothing to do with Gay Rights just jump on the bandwagon"

So this massacre is a popular trend, and others are joining it so they can share in its success and enthusiasm? Well Owen, I'll be brutally honest here, this tragedy isn't my idea of something I'd like to join, in order to have part of its success, popularity and reward.

'The shooter obviously has some twisted conception of Islamic Fundamentalism'

OK Owen, now you've really got me. Is it that Islamic Fundamentalism is OK but the shooter has a twisted conception of it? Like you are supposed to throw Gays off building, stone them to death, or burn them alive - but heaven forbid you should shoot them! I mean, have some Islamic decency for Allah's sake!
Or is it that the shooter has the correct understanding of Islamic Fundamentalism, but Islamic fundamentalism is bad for Gays? Its as if he used a double negative in a sentence, and ended up saying the opposite of what he wanted to say.

Owen Jones obviously has a very small brain to start with, I think that's clear to anyone watching his chimpanzee antics. Well, he'd be ok if he kept to a single consistent narrative. But when he tries to weave conflicting threads like protection of gays with an unconditional defence of all Islam and Muslim people, I don't think even Einstein could manage that very easily.

But that's not his only problem. He's also a scared little schoolboy. So, he's ducking and diving now trying to avoid being tarred as 'Islamophobic' by all his fellow virtue signallers, but also now fearful of his very own personage becoming a target of some Muslim thug (NTDWI) - who of course, would only be acting a 'lone wolf' and it would be impossible to connect with Islamic theology, Muslim preachers in the UK, or the practice of Islamic states worldwide.

I would love to see a truly brave, and also highly intelligent person like Milo, tear this pathetic, cowardly quisling to pieces.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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