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We work to protect Gay people from the neo-fascists of the political left and the religious right.

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Why Cameron Disowned Douglas Murray

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2012. 6 Replies

Douglas Murray: What are we to do about Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Dec 21, 2012. 1 Reply

The new Egypt.

Started by paul collings. Last reply by paul collings Jun 23, 2012. 6 Replies

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Comment by Antony on January 21, 2014 at 17:29

Indian cleric says gays & lesbians sb burned alive ; http://www.rightsidenews.com/2014012133770/world/terrorism/indian-c...

Comment by paul collings on January 11, 2014 at 16:35

And if the truth IS that its Muslims attacking gay Muslims, then that'll be the last we hear of the story.

Stories are only news worthy when the attackers can be described as Right wing thugs.

Comment by Joe on January 11, 2014 at 14:31

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/01/10/met-police-to-patrol-redbridge...

Increased number of attacks of "men who have sex with men" in Redbridge.  As soon as I saw this story, I thought "muslims".  There are only 3 comments on the story, and the 3rd says that the victims are probably muslims (so, I wasn't alone in thinking that).  But of course it would never cross the mind of a Leftist that the people doing the attacks are probably muslims too.

Comment by Joe on January 9, 2014 at 15:05

Sana’a: A Yemeni security official says a gunman in the southern province of Lahj killed a man suspected of being of gay, the latest in a series of attacks on homosexuals in the country.

http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/yemen/yemen-gunman-kills-man-suspecte...

Comment by Joe on December 23, 2013 at 15:10
Comment by Joe on December 23, 2013 at 10:30

Wow, does that guy think that his argument is stronger if he dribbles while he rants?

I saw yesterday at Gates of Vienna that 2 articles about this Robertson guy were in the newsfeed.  There are some disgusting homophobic loons hanging around the counter-jihad movement.

I doubt Robertson (or any other christian loon) would bother to go on TV and rant about the sinfulness of eating shellfish (that's in Leviticus too).  Yet they select which "sins" they are going rail against.

People like Robertson, who want to impose THEIR values on other people, are no different from communists or nazis.  And THEY are responsible for people leaving christianity in droves.  I know from my own extended family (with no persuasion from me), they have all abandoned christianity because of the church's hostility to gay people.  

Rather than ban Robertson, he should just be faced with someone who points out how in 20 years time christians will be a minority in the west, and we'll start to see how they enjoy being persecuted by a majority.  And they will be in a minority and they will be persecuted because of people like him.

Comment by Antony on December 23, 2013 at 6:31
Comment by Joe on December 8, 2013 at 18:35

3 "asians" attack a man outside a gay bar in Newcastle.

A teenager who lost the use of his hand after a firework was thrown at him from a moving car has told Sky Tyne and Wear he may be permanently disabled.

Metal plates and rods have been sewn into 19-year-old Connor Dunnett's hand, which was badly burned and broken in two places after the firework exploded.

The teenager was standing outside gay bar the Dog in Newcastle city centre when he says three Asian men threw the firework from a black BMW.

http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/89014/drive-by-firework-att...

Comment by Antony on November 11, 2013 at 16:42

How Gay is Islam - Pat Condell ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLbltj-tD1Y

Comment by Antony on November 8, 2013 at 9:28
 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

The two current threats to Secular Democracy (SD) of Islam and Debt arise due to fundamental vulnerabilities in its constitution. Hence the 4 Freedoms definitions give 4 corrections to that ideology.

We have little expectation of those corrections being implemented, because SD rests on an even more fundamental fallacy, that:
The 'open marketplace' of ideas driven by rational self interest will lead to ideological well being - in the same way that Adam Smith's free market of prices leads to economic well being.

But ideological faction is not comparable with economic grouping, because the rational self interest of ideological actors performs differently to that of economic actors. Consequently, the open society of SD, will succumb gradually to any strong, unified gang, of which, Islam is one example.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them, so 4F gives only a sample view of how far it has advanced and by what methods. We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and will force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These freedoms protect against four vulnerabilities in standard definitions of democracy.
1. Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of free speech and democracy
2. Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed -except one advocating the end of free speech and democracy
3. Freedom from Religious Intrusion
Religion & culture operate freely in the private sphere, but are regulated by law in the public sphere
4. Freedom from Debt
The electorate is not allowed to live off debt and dump it on the next generation

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