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Gay Victims of Kuffarphobia

We work to protect Gay people from the neo-fascists of the political left and the religious right.

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Forcing People to be Transsexual

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2014. 1 Reply

The new Egypt.

Started by paul collings. Last reply by paul collings Nov 2, 2014. 8 Replies

Why Cameron Disowned Douglas Murray

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2012. 6 Replies

Douglas Murray: What are we to do about Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Dec 21, 2012. 1 Reply

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Comment by paul collings on June 15, 2016 at 11:49

 Douglas Murray.

Comment by paul collings on June 15, 2016 at 11:06

A lecture in Melbourn Australia on Islams view of Homosexuality. Of course no one will believe a words of it.

Comment by Antony on June 8, 2016 at 7:06

Luton police commissioner sides with muslims against gay sauna ;

Comment by Antony on May 17, 2016 at 12:00
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 16, 2016 at 11:38
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 16, 2016 at 11:06

Hate crime, terrorist attack, homophobia, racism, religionism? Any mention of such when Muslims attack Gays? Muslims just hate everyone and everything not strictly Muslim.

Comment by Antony on May 16, 2016 at 9:54

Muslim attacks gay man in Brighton ; - you have to go right to the end of the article to find out that the attacker "shouted all kinds of muslim stuff, but no one wanted to hear that" the police are denying any muslim angle.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 15, 2016 at 22:40
Bangladesh police arrest Islamist militant over gruesome murder of LGBT activists
Comment by Joe on April 16, 2016 at 0:49

The C4/ICM poll turns out to be a whitewash.

1. there is no explanation for the demographics of the "control" group. I suspect a significant % of them are muslims and sundry other immigrants, hence leading to higher levels of homophobia and higher levels of sympathy with political violence.

2. the questions are leading e.g. the question asked with regard to legality of homosexuality is in a section entitled "Prejudice".

3. the stats are aggregated from a range of options (the middle option is often "neither agree nor disagree", the final option is usually "don't know"). On a question such as "should homosexuality be legal" it is a yes/no answer. There is no need for 6 possible answers, 2 of which are some version of "No Comment".

4. Comparing the rates at which Muslims choose the "No comment" option, this is at a rate 2x high as the control group.

5. For the question "Should homosexuality be legal" only around 20% of the 1000 Muslims questioned actually responded with a "Yes" answer. 80% responded with a "No" or "No Comment" answer.

I'm no survey expert. I was even avoiding looking into this survey's details (as I've got bigger fish to fry). It is hugely at odds with the 2007 and 2009 surveys. Therefore, almost certainly deliberately distorted (ICM should have noticed the divergence and queried their own methodology; so should the media). The above notes come from memory, after I spend 20 minutes looking at the survey details today.

So despite all the Shock! Horror! of the media these last few days, things are in fact much worse than the survey says. And things are much worse also because none of the media could be bothered to question that they are worse. The survey was done around June 2015. They've had 9 months to question it, and I could find flaws in 20 minutes.

Comment by Alan Lake on April 13, 2016 at 12:08
Air France's gay flight attendants protest Iran route, cite death penalty

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Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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