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We work to protect Gay people from the neo-fascists of the political left and the religious right.

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Forcing People to be Transsexual

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2014. 1 Reply

The new Egypt.

Started by paul collings. Last reply by paul collings Nov 2, 2014. 8 Replies

The Complicity of the Gay Media

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Mar 19, 2014. 6 Replies

Why Cameron Disowned Douglas Murray

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 22, 2012. 6 Replies

Douglas Murray: What are we to do about Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by paul collings Dec 21, 2012. 1 Reply

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Comment by paul collings on April 16, 2014 at 16:21

Just like the life of Gay people will change everywhere because of the attitude of Islam.

There's no consistency in the public attitude of Gays to Islam despite Islam's hate for them.

If we want to live in a tolerant society, (which quite frankly I do) then we should not allow islam to exist in Britain until it totally denounces its unacceptable persecution of women, gays, Christians non Muslims, dogs, Animals in general, (that includes Camels and goats),  and it should be proven that their attitudes to people the Koran castigates and demonises  has changed before we ever allow Islam back into this country again.  

Only by the concerted efforts of everyone in Britain will the spread of islam be stopped. The gay community can see the treatment they themselves will receive from the treatment gays receive in all other Islamic nations.  Appeasing Islam will not work for gays. It works for Christians and Jews, people of the book, but gays? NO!   

Comment by Joe on April 15, 2014 at 0:14

The Leftards and Libtards all wanted to support the jihadis in Syria.  Now, just like Iraq, the life of gay people in Syria is worse than ever.

Comment by Antony on April 9, 2014 at 11:46
Comment by Antony on April 7, 2014 at 18:14

Gay teacher forced to resign after pressure from muslims ;

Comment by Antony on March 30, 2014 at 9:20

Muslim medical science -  penetrating anus causes a worm to grow and makes you want more gay sex ;

Comment by Alan Lake on March 29, 2014 at 23:59

I think the media see Gays (and Jews) as collateral damage.  The media certainly aren't going to confront Muslims, or raise Muslim-centric questions, which would threaten their own yellow necks.  So their attitude is like "Whatever, let the Gays and Jews fight their own battles".

Comment by Joe on March 29, 2014 at 23:10

Have you noticed, that the media are only interviewing christians to get a negative opinion of gay marriage?  No interviewing of muslims.  It's almost as though gay marriage was designed to make christians look bad (mind you, they do a good job themselves, since civil marriage has got nothing  to do with christians).

I also think it very revealing, that so many "progressive" media outlets have done surveys asking people "if invited to a gay wedding, would you refuse to go".  They would NEVER run a survey asking people:

"would you consider moving house if muslims started to move into your street"
"if invited to a black wedding, would you refuse to go"

"if invited to a gypsy wedding, would you refuse to go".

They would say it was racist to ask such a question, and that it was stirring up racial hatred to do a survey on this and raise it as a topic for consideration.

To me this shows that despite the media fawning over the issue of gay marriage, deep down, they have no problem with people hating gays.

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Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So 4F has categorised a subset of its depredations in a way that allows principal information to be retrieved for argument.  

We need to capture this information because it is slowly being removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Expenditure
The government can spend money in any way it wants  - except one where the debt burden passes across generations (20 years)
4. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)

An additional Freedom from Religion may be deduced from equal application of the law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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