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We work to protect Gay people from the neo-fascists of the political left and the religious right.

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The new Egypt.

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Why Cameron Disowned Douglas Murray

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Douglas Murray: What are we to do about Islam

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Comment by Antony on February 16, 2014 at 12:04

Totally off topic here, could have gone in the social or humour rooms, but I'll bung it here.... I've heard that the gays up here have started using the "ginger alert" ring tone on their mobiles, a bit like the way in the past gays adopted the term "queer"  I guess ... quite witty I thought ! ;

Comment by Antony on February 3, 2014 at 16:57
Comment by Alan Lake on January 31, 2014 at 16:32
This is the extent of the terrorism imposed by muslims in Britain.

I think its useful to distinguish in using the words Terrorism and Terror.  

There is terrorism in the UK and as we all know, none of it is done by Muslims who understand Islam properly, so it can be ignored.  Most people seem to dismiss all the facts of terrorism incidents in the UK, and sweep them under the carpet of "my misunderstanding of the situation due to my latent Islamophobic tendencies".

But Terror is something personal and indisputable.  Ask anyone to go to Hyde Park Corner and challenge the Muslims there on their anti-democratic, mysogynistic, racist, homophobic, hate filled beliefs, and you will see the terror in their eyes.  As Mohammed rightly understood, you first subdue a population with terror, and that process has already happened in the West.  The individual can dismiss the 22,000 terrorist incidents since 9/11, but cannot deny his own fear of confronting Muslims on any of the core belief clashes.  

I suggest that, the impact of the word Terrorism has got lost, so should just be used for factual terrorist acts.  The word Terror still has impact and is personally undeniable, so should be used for the residual effect of fear left behind by the widespread, personally  targeted  Islamic acts of terrorism and violence against all those who "spread mischief in the land".

Comment by Alan Lake on January 31, 2014 at 16:21

‘You’ve Messed With The Wrong Muslims!’

Comment by Joe on January 27, 2014 at 23:45

Muslim councillor investigated for homophobic abuse.

Comment by Joe on January 25, 2014 at 14:29

The lesbian who was attacked said:

Miss Harrison later told police: 'I can't work comfortably now and I think about people throwing acid in my face. Anyone Asian I don't know could be associated with the people who attacked me. I have trouble sleeping.

This is the extent of the terrorism imposed by muslims in Britain.  Almost no-one dares to cross them, for fear of an anonymous, collective, and disproportionately vicious response from The Religion of Peace.

Comment by Joe on January 25, 2014 at 14:27

Muslims attempt to kidnap/kill their lesbian sister's lover.  One of these devout muslimas has a burka on during the attack.  Imagine if they'd all been wearing burkas -- there would have been no evidence that a jury would believe.

Comment by Joe on January 24, 2014 at 9:58

No wonder gays are leaving Amsterdam, and moving to the suburbs and (white) cities.

3 attacks a week on gay people there, and in half the cases they are violent.  That's more anti-gay attacks in Holland every week, than there are attacks on muslims in Britain every week.

62% of those doing the attacks are white Dutch.  That leaves 38% who are not.  But what happens, is that islamic jew-hatred, homophobia, misogyny are seen as acceptable in a society, then non-muslims who share those views are emboldened to act on them.   

Tolerating evil allows evil to flourish.

Comment by Antony on January 21, 2014 at 17:29

Indian cleric says gays & lesbians sb burned alive ;

Comment by paul collings on January 11, 2014 at 16:35

And if the truth IS that its Muslims attacking gay Muslims, then that'll be the last we hear of the story.

Stories are only news worthy when the attackers can be described as Right wing thugs.


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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most prosperous Western societies are based on a model we call the Secular Democratic Marketplace (SDM). Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the principal agents exploiting these defects, is Islam. Therefore, this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them. So 4F gives only a brief overview of how far it has advanced and by what methods.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close the 4 vulnerabilities in the standard model of SDM, by making them Self-Protecting (SP) according to Hobbes's first law of nature.
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Religion
Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere.
4. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed only if it can be shown not to favour any party

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