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Athens - the EU capital city without a mosque

Ξεκίνησε από τον/την Alan Lake. Τελευταία απάντηση από τον/την Paul Austin Murphy Νοέ 21, 2013. 7 Απαντήσεις

Jihad against the Greeks (1450 -1853)

Ξεκίνησε από τον/την Charles Martel. Τελευταία απάντηση από τον/την Charles Martel Οκτ 1, 2009. 1 Απάντηση

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Σχολιάστηκε από τον/την paul collings Πριν από 12 ώρες

I agree. I'm no fan of Syriza, but the coalition is of the left and right, and the final result is pretty decisive. 

Lets see if the Greek people are ready for the retaliation that is sure to follow. 

The language coming from the Greek PM is still very unconciliatory.  He seems to be suggesting IMO that it would be to costly too not do a deal that saves Greece. 

I think financially  Europe can survive Greece. Politically i think its destructive because it proves the Euro was a Mistake.

Its funny how Europe does all it can to give money to countries from the Islamic nations, money we'll never get back, yet countries within the Union just get flogged to death with rules and regulations that are killing us. 

Σχολιάστηκε από τον/την Antony Πριν από 12 ώρες

I don't like Syriza, but I'm glad the Greek people have told the ruling elite, the EU, and the bankers to go shove it ! - though I've got a nasty feeling the money grubbing sociopaths who run the show will now teach the Greek people a lesson in a very snide and nasty way the price of disobedience  - I hope the ordinary Greek people, and the rest of the serfs in the EU win.

Σχολιάστηκε από τον/την paul collings Πριν από 14 ώρες

With the greek referendum result looking like a resounding no to the bail out terms with creditors the media and pollsters have again been exposed again as nothing but tools of the ruling elite. 

All week the Greek papers and the European media have been out in force for the yes campaign, with pollsters only today admitting the no campaign could win by a 'small' majority. 

As with the last GE in the UK they have all misjudged the voters. The Americans did the same in their elections as did the French. 

This referendum  was called so the Government of Greece could decide, with the backing of the people, whether to accept the bailout terms. Brussels has decided the vote was about whether Greece stayed in the Euro zone and ultimately within Europe.

Well its now up to Brussels to kick Greece out of the single currency tomorrow, and if they do, i'm not sure if that would stand up to a legal challenge.

All that aside, i wonder where this referendum can take us, when a country can vote to not pay back its creditors as agreed.

I am wondering if i can go to the bank, demand a couple of million, tell them i'll give them back half of it, but not for 20 years or so. I'll blame the Germans of course if i can't pay back the money as they killed a few family members in the war, and bombed my Grandads pub during the war causing financial hardship.

Greece is what every sane economist warned about 20 years ago. Well Greece and Brussels have backed us all into a corner with claim and counter claim and threat and counter threat.  Lets see who comes out fighting.

     

Σχόλιο από τον/την Antony στις 21 Απρίλιος 2015 στις 11:52
Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 9 Μάρτιος 2015 στις 18:00

http://t.co/gCNe1qtgWw

Greece threatens to flood Europe with illegals if Their demands for an extension to the bail out are not met.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Alan Lake στις 5 Φεβρουάριος 2015 στις 17:31

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 29 Δεκέμβριος 2014 στις 11:08

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/29/us-greece-vote-idUSKBN0K6...

Greece can't agree a new President so it looks like early elections are likely. With a far left party being the likely winners. (the Irony)

Unless the EU make them take the vote again and elect a President they want.

The Greek people have been protesting Austerity since 2009. Lets see if the will of the people can over come the will of the EU.

The EU has said the Austerity measures are not negotiable. If that's the case the only other option is to cut Greece loose.

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 28 Νοέμβριος 2014 στις 23:41

http://t.co/x0B9YQum0Z

Syrian refugees want to leave Greece and have access to the rest of the EU. Cameron and his promise to keep migrants out sounds funnier every time he says it.

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 1 Νοέμβριος 2013 στις 11:35

http://t.co/L6nWtoyzeR

Fjordmans observations on Greece.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Alan Lake στις 12 Ιούλιος 2013 στις 19:30

When the state stops enforcing the law, citizens will eventually take to enforcing the law themselves.  The funny thing then is, what will the state charge them with?

 

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So 4F has categorised a subset of its depredations in a way that allows principal information to be retrieved for argument.  

We need to capture this information because it is slowly being removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But they also require - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to police these vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Religion
Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)
4. SP Freedom from Electoral Fraud
The import of new voters by immigration is only allowed if it can be shown not to favour any political party

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