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Athens - the EU capital city without a mosque

Ξεκίνησε από τον/την Alan Lake. Τελευταία απάντηση από τον/την Paul Austin Murphy Νοέ 21, 2013. 7 Απαντήσεις

Jihad against the Greeks (1450 -1853)

Ξεκίνησε από τον/την Charles Martel. Τελευταία απάντηση από τον/την Charles Martel Οκτ 1, 2009. 1 Απάντηση

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Σχόλιο από τον/την Antony στις 14 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 11:59

An empire strikes back ; Germany and the Greek crisis ; https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/empire-strikes-back-germany-and-gre...

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 13 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 9:15

The EU and Greece have made an agreement. Greece will continue to be destroyed and the Euro will survive a bit longer. 

The pawn brokers are moving into Athens.

The deal is nothing more than maintaining the debt in the hope that a way to pay the creditors will be found in the future. 

All that will happen is the Greeks will try and do more cash deals and pay less tax. The young will leave and seek employment abroad, and costs within Greece will sky rocket. They will be unable to secure their boarders and many more illegals will be waved through Greece further north. 

The can has been kicked down the road, but problem is still very much there. The Greek people don't have a hope in hells chance of paying back the debt, and almost everything they own is now in hock with foreign banks.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Antony στις 11 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 21:02

The elephant in the room with Greece's "creative accountancy", is that the EU is supposed to prevent fraud etc, the kind might say they failed to do so as a result of ineptitude, in which case they should be sacked, the more suspicious might say they were taking a cut - it would be interesting to know if any of the EU officials involved have accounts in the Cayman islands or suchlike.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Alan Lake στις 11 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 20:52

"Such deals were not uncommon among smaller countries attempting to enter the eurozone club, but they were stopped by the EU economic statistics agency Eurostat in 2008. Eurostat has said Greece did not report the Goldman Sachs transactions in 2008, when it and other countries were told to restate their accounts."

But really, since the EU has failed its audit and fired its audit whistleblowers for the past 14 years, why should anyone take any regulatory body in the EU seriously?  The EU is a regulatory joke, so Goldmann Sachs treated it as such. Yes, they took advantage of the situation, but that's what they are paid to do.  The responsibility for the fiasco is spread amongst several actors in this soap opera.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Antony στις 11 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 9:38

Greeks could sue Goldmann Sachs ; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-debt-crisis-go...

I hope the Greeks succeed in suing the shirts off their backs and landing them in prison with hard labour - its about time these con artists faced justice.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Alan Lake στις 7 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 16:11

The Ramzpaul video is terrible this time. Interest is not primarily to cover the risk of a loan. Interest is the charge for use of an assett, and capital is merely the liquid, convertible form of assetts.

If i build a house, can you live in it free of charge? If I clear some land and defend it from bandits, can you farm it free of charge? If I make a wheelbarrow, pick and shovel, can you use them free of charge, even though they pentuple your work rate? If a woman decides to do prostitution, can you use her body free of charge?

Shockingly, I couldn't see any comments expressing this simple truth - such is the dumb, witch hunt mentality of our current population.

There was just one comment of insight: that charging interest on money created by the printing press, like fiat money governments do, is a fraud. The interest is still a charge on use of a convertible assett, but in this case, the assett has been acquired by theft from the total shared assett pool of the currency holders of the country.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Antony στις 7 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 14:09

Greek Refuses pound of flesh - Ram z Paul ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIGa9mYVUNw&feature=em-uploademail

Σχόλιο από τον/την Antony στις 7 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 14:08
Σχόλιο από τον/την Kinana στις 6 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 13:38

At some point the Creditors have to decide whether to do a massive write off or not.  In either case I cannot see Greece being able to borrow anymore money for the next 20 years and even then that would depend on how they have re-adjusted their economy.  After all people and organisations have no obligation to throw good money after bad.

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 5 Ιούλιος 2015 στις 22:03

I agree. I'm no fan of Syriza, but the coalition is of the left and right, and the final result is pretty decisive. 

Lets see if the Greek people are ready for the retaliation that is sure to follow. 

The language coming from the Greek PM is still very unconciliatory.  He seems to be suggesting IMO that it would be to costly too not do a deal that saves Greece. 

I think financially  Europe can survive Greece. Politically i think its destructive because it proves the Euro was a Mistake.

Its funny how Europe does all it can to give money to countries from the Islamic nations, money we'll never get back, yet countries within the Union just get flogged to death with rules and regulations that are killing us. 

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So 4F has categorised a subset of its depredations in a way that allows principal information to be retrieved for argument.  

We need to capture this information because it is slowly being removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Expenditure
The government can spend money in any way it wants  - except one where the debt burden passes across generations (20 years)
4. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)

An additional Freedom from Religion may be deduced from equal application of the law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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