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Kuffarphobia in Greece

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Athens - the EU capital city without a mosque

Ξεκίνησε από τον/την Alan Lake. Τελευταία απάντηση από τον/την Paul Austin Murphy Νοέ 21, 2013. 7 Απαντήσεις

Jihad against the Greeks (1450 -1853)

Ξεκίνησε από τον/την Charles Martel. Τελευταία απάντηση από τον/την Charles Martel Οκτ 1, 2009. 1 Απάντηση

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Σχόλιο από τον/την Philip Smeeton στις 14 Νοέμβριος 2015 στις 9:24

I would have given these police orders to shoot in self-defence.

In the very least these police should have been firing rubber bullets.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Alan Lake στις 13 Νοέμβριος 2015 στις 22:24

That NY Times article contains a video showing the rioters throwing a petrol bomb and attacking the police with a long pole, which may be metal, since the policeman retreats.  It reminds me of Danny's posts recently of 5 crazy things, in the USA room.  

Its just beyond comprehension how you can put police there and expect them to sustain petrol burns and be scarred for life, or get a broken neck and be paraplegic for life, just to deal with a few lousy "demonstrators".  The state seems to have lost its ability to discriminate between lawful demonstration of grievance, and armed insurrection against the state's officers.  If we were in the Middle Ages, the degree of armament of the police might make sense ... but then those throwing petrol bombs would be flogged to death if caught.  The modern society has the weapons to maintain order, but the state will not allow their use.

Its also similar to the situation with military warfare.  We have sufficent weapons to win most of the threats we face, but our Code of Conduct will not allow their use.

We have an entire generation, brought up to think that non-discrimination, universal love and pacifism, will solve all the world's problems.

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 13 Νοέμβριος 2015 στις 18:31

I don't think you can blame Greece Philip. Its all part of the plan. If Greece were even able to stop the tide the wizard of EuroZ would take away their dinner money. 

Σχόλιο από τον/την Philip Smeeton στις 13 Νοέμβριος 2015 στις 17:27

Can you remember all of the billions of Euros that were given recently to Greece, and this is how they repay us, opening the gates to floods of refugees and sending them on to us.

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 13 Νοέμβριος 2015 στις 15:59

Is it falling apart for the Greeks yet again. Who'd have thought it.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Alan Lake στις 1 Νοέμβριος 2015 στις 13:54

It is completely bizarre: for a country that is totally bankrupt, and with the memory of the Devshirme on their Balkan neighbours, and the reconquista they had to struggle through to regain their freedom:

The demonstrators must be complete morons.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Philip Smeeton στις 1 Νοέμβριος 2015 στις 13:33

I would have expected the Greeks to have understood that being occupied by Muslims is unpleasant. Were Lord Byron's efforts to free the Greeks from the clutches of the Turks in vain? Some Greeks seem to want the Turks to return.

Σχόλιο από τον/την Kinana στις 15 Σεπτέμβριος 2015 στις 13:43

what sort of father/man lets his wife or children die by drowning and not be there first?  How are those men protecting their families?

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 14 Σεπτέμβριος 2015 στις 8:21

The Islamic world saw what I dead boy on a beech did to Europe. Soon they'll be drowning women and children by the boat load..... Oh they already are.

It will be interesting to find out the sex and age of the survivors. Were they all or mainly men, or was it a boat of just women and children.  Germany and Sweden asked for all these people to come. They own this tragedy.   

Σχόλιο από τον/την paul collings στις 8 Σεπτέμβριος 2015 στις 19:08

The grateful Refugees.


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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Expenditure
The government can spend money in any way it wants  - except one where the debt burden passes across generations (20 years)
4. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)

An additional Freedom from Religion may be deduced from equal application of the law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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