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Artist and Heritage Victims

The artistic and cultural heritage of a society are often targeted by Islam, as a possible threat to its mono-cultural dominance, as first shown by Mohammed's zeal for killing poets (13 in all). When world heritage cultural treasures are destroyed, we are all the victim.

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Persia: Ctesiphon

Started by shiva. Last reply by Philip Smeeton 6 hours ago. 1 Reply

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Britain: Lost Territory,

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Music Verboten to Muslims in America

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Fascists target Canadian Muslim artist over bra

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Comment by Antony on May 16, 2015 at 11:13
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 13, 2015 at 21:42

The average calendrical month, which is 112 of a year, is about 30.44 days, while the Moon's phase (synodic) cycle repeats on average every 29.53 days. Therefore the timing of the Moon's phases shifts by an average of almost one day for each successive month.

That's 12.36 months a year. Which according to my mathematical skills means they had to substract a Month every 3 years? Moon worshippers that they are.

Religion is stuff and nonsense anyway, but you are never going to get believers to agree with that. As pointed out on 4freedoms it is the ideology of Islam that matters, what Muslims do and why. And how can we get Muslims to stop doing what they do.

The reality is that Muslims are nasty bastards and use their myths as an excuse to behave badly. They flock to ISIS to rape, murder and torture, and plant bombs in the crowded places of our cities because they derive sadistic pleasure from doing so, 

Comment by Joe on May 13, 2015 at 7:59

Jansen was part of a German group who have been questioning the whole foundation myth of islam.  Just like Prof. Crone etc. in the UK have done.  Kinana, Roberta and I all went to a talk by a Cambridge muslim professor, who kept trying to denigrate Crone etc.  Tom Holland basically popularised these ideas about the foundational myths of islam in a book a couple of years ago (it was a best-seller that frequently was higher in the book sales lists in the west than the koran was).

There is a talk by Jay Smith where he goes through a lot of this (apparently Jay was the man who gave Tom Holland the idea for the book - and Jay notes how the TV programme from the book basically chickened out of questioning the myth of Mohammed - and even with this chickening-out by Al Beebazeera, Holland still got death threats from The Religion of Peace after the programme was broadcast).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FemIJS6x5q4

Personally, I think that being able to say "Mohammed didn't exist" makes the Leftist elite feel like they can tame islam.  It won't work. As far as the ideology of islam is concerned, kufaar are lying scum.   That's why I don't like to talk up any of these ideas about the myth of Mohammed: I don't want to fool people into thinking it is somehow going to save the west from subjugation to islam.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 13, 2015 at 3:06

They probably put a fix in at a later date, just as we did with the Gregorian calendar in the Middle Ages.  Prof. Jensen is talking about how they managed the calendar from 610 to 630 when Mohammed, in his great and holy wisdom, abolished the leap months. So for that 20 year period there must have been leap months, things must have happened in them, yet they don't appear anywhere in the Sirah.

I'm guessing that after 630, after a few decades of doing it "Mohammed's way" - using the lunar calendar with NO leap months, and the seasons gradually becoming Australian - a few people said "This is mental!" and promptly got executed for impugning the intelligence of Mohammed's edict.  Then a few decades later perhaps, some enlightened imam re-interpreted the edict to allow of a filthy kuffar type calendar.  Well, I'm just guessing :-)

Comment by shiva on May 13, 2015 at 2:38

This is a bit confusing. The Islamic lunar calendar does not add a "leap month" every few years to keep the lunar and solar calendars in sync

Comment by Alan Lake on May 12, 2015 at 18:31

Holy crap!  This is from Prof. Jenner's article on The Gospel according to Ibn Ishāq:

This meticulous and systematic dating by month which is Ibn Ishāq’s wont, is, of course, one of the main reasons why western historians classified his book as historiography in the normal sense of that word. 

However, as we now know, in the period which Ibn Ishāq writes about, at least six, perhaps seven, leap months occurred. How then, is it possible that not a single one of the numerous events Ibn Ishaq describes and attaches a date to, took place during a leap month? 

If his narrative of the life of Muhammad would be based on historical memories and on real events, however distorted, but remembered by real people, how can half a solar year (or more) remain unmentioned and have disappeared from the record? It must be admitted that this amounts to only 2.8% of the period concerned, but nevertheless this is serious, because Ibn Ishāq repeatedly enumerates the successive months in which Muhammad stayed in Medina, or elsewhere. How is it possible that these months in a row never include a leap month?

The same reason why Ibn Ishāq was mistaken for a historian like Thucidides or Herodot, his precise dating of events by month, may now become the argument that unmasks him as an evangelist, a gospel writer. His stories are not the reflection of events remembered if only vaguely, but his stories are sermons disguised as stories. There is no way in which he could have omitted the leap months if he would have been a profane historian. His stories can only date from a period in which people had forgotten that leap months had once existed. 

These stories by Ibn Ishāq, we are forced to conclude, do not attempt to describe memories of events that took place in the past, but they want to convince the reader that the protagonist of these stories, Muhammad, is the Messenger of God. Like the four gospels of the New Testament, they are not history in the normal sense of that word. Ibn Ishāq’s book, his widely known and often paraphrased Sīra, is nothing but a gospel. 

http://www.arabistjansen.nl/Arabist/Davis.html

Comment by Alan Lake on May 12, 2015 at 18:13

OK Joe, I've captured Jansen's video and put it in the archive (its too big to upload to 4F though)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 12, 2015 at 17:00

It looks like the Muslims, (like the Christians), tried to get their stories straight after the respective deaths of their founders. Tell a Christian that the Bible has been revised and rewritten and he will not listen. Tell a Muslim and he will kill you.

There is a bitter battle going on right now between creationists, and evolutionists, Strange that the Muslims aren't sharpening their knives.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 12, 2015 at 16:44

Was this Jansen addressing the European Parliament? I thought I noticed there was an embarrassed silence afterwards. Which is usually the response to anyone saying anything truthful about Islam. That or silly response by ignorant people.

"Hans was often asked for television shows but when he repeatedly met the wall of silly politically correct deafness, he stopped accepting these invitations."

 
 
 

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