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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"As for  lost territory then Brick Lane is worth a mention Brick Lane Jamme Masjid…"

shiva replied Apr 21, 2015 to Britain: Lost Territory,

10 Jun 6, 2019
Reply by Antony

" Yes that is a good idea, so I have changed the title to Lost Territory. "

shiva replied Apr 17, 2015 to Britain: Lost Territory,

10 Jun 6, 2019
Reply by Antony

"Alan why blame the filthy Kuffar when u have the Juice The Sphinx nose, after being…"

shiva replied Apr 17, 2015 to The Islamic Destruction of the Buddhas of Bamyan (Afghanistan, 2001)

11 Sep 3, 2020
Reply by Alan Lake

"Not only Churches Now "

shiva replied Apr 17, 2015 to Britain: Lost Territory,

10 Jun 6, 2019
Reply by Antony

"Yo Philip Strange you mention Mount Zion chapel, as I am just putting together a pos…"

shiva replied Apr 16, 2015 to The Islamic Destruction of Nicosia (Cyprus, 1570 & 1974)

4 Apr 17, 2015
Reply by Philip Smeeton

"Joe said: The one-meter-wide nose on the face is missing. Examination of the Sphinx'…"

shiva replied Apr 15, 2015 to The Islamic Destruction of the Buddhas of Bamyan (Afghanistan, 2001)

11 Sep 3, 2020
Reply by Alan Lake

"Yes Alan, there are similarities, also I note that T Robinson has just been arrested."

shiva replied Jun 29, 2013 to The Islamic Destruction of Tempes in Arcot & Vellore (India, 1669)

3 Jun 29, 2013
Reply by shiva

"Battle of Aleppo The city of Aleppo sat between Antioch on the Mediterranean Sea and…"

shiva replied Jun 20, 2013 to The Islamic Destruction of Alleppo (Syria, 1400 & 2013)

16 Aug 26, 2015
Reply by Philip Smeeton

"Theological justification Islam’s core tenet is the recognition and worship of one s…"

shiva replied Jul 4, 2012 to The Islamic Destruction of Timbuktu (Mali, 2012)

4 Dec 28, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake

"Απάντηση από τον/την Alan Lake στις 17 Φεβρουάριος 2010 στις 18:31 As it happens I w…"

shiva replied Jul 2, 2012 to Greece. Gunpowder in the Cellar

1 Jul 2, 2012
Reply by shiva

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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