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A former chapel featured in one of LS Lowry’s renowned street scenes is to reopen as a mosque.

The plan to use the Mount Zion Methodist Church in Clitheroe, Lancashire, as a Muslim place of worship initially sparked fierce opposition.

The chapel can be seen in the 1954 painting A Street in Clitheroe, one of several paintings that Lowry, famous for his matchstick men, made of the town.

I was planning to randomly post images of Churches converted to mosques, but first here are several images from Oldham

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Not only Churches


Shiva, what a good idea!  Lost territory, like the past, never (?) to be reclaimed.

Kinana said:

Shiva, what a good idea!  Lost territory, like the past, never (?) to be reclaimed.

Yes that is a good idea, so I have changed the title to Lost Territory.

Sheep to the slaughter, I hear the english bleating.

I particularly like the sign on the door of the Camberwell (pub). Women's Entrance.

I believe it is Paul's position that in the UK in the 1970s, there was a sudden decision to destroy the institution of Sunday School.  When Paul told me this, it jogged my memory of the 1960s and early 70s, when my friends would be going to Sunday School.  I don't remember this stopping, but by the 1980s, I don't remember ever hearing people in that small northern town talking of Sunday School any more.

The Demos is being replaced.  In 50 years, the Demos will not want Democracy.  The 19th century experiment which the 20th century fascists and the communists decided was a bad idea, will finally be put to rest.

Democracy is a good idea, but then it has to be genuine democracy where people feel that they are heard and that their votes count. As it is, what we have is delegation democracy. We vote people in to represent us and then they do what they want, follow their personal agendas, and then start telling us what is good for us, how we should think. They intimidate us by pointing the morality-finger and telling us that we are basically evil and that to be good we have to do what they say, because they know better and they represent all that is morally good. We are not represented.

Don't say no to immigrants and refugees, even if it kills you, because it is immoral and racist to say no.

As for  lost territory then Brick Lane is worth a mention

Brick Lane Jamme Masjid ( ব্রিক লেন জামে মসজিদ ), is located in the area of Spitalfields alongside the street of Brick Lane and Fournier Street in east London, England. The majority of worshippers of the mosque are of Bangladeshi descent; the mosque serves the largest concentration of Bangladeshi Muslims in the country. The building at 59 Brick Lane previously served the religions of a succession of other communities in the area. Built during the 18th century, it is one of the oldest buildings in East London which still stands today.

The mosque can hold up to 3000 people and is most crowded during the jummah prayers on Friday. All sermons are delivered in Sylheti Bengali. In terms of beliefs and practices, the mosque follows the traditions of the controversial Sayyid Ahmad of Balakot. The mosque has close links with the Bangladesh Welfare Association, which addresses social and community needs. Arabic and mother tongue classes are available for children on the top floors.

The building was first established in 1743 as a Protestant chapel ("La Neuve Eglise") by London's French Huguenot community. These Huguenots were refugees who had left France to escape persecution from the Catholics. The building survived as a Huguenot chapel for more than six decades. In 1809 it became a Wesleyan chapel, bought by the London Society for Promoting Christianity Amongst the Jews (an organisation now known as the Church's Ministry Among Jewish People), but this phase of its history lasted only 10 years. From 1819, the building became a Methodist chapel.

In the late 19th century, the building at 59 Brick Lane was adopted by yet another community. It became the Machzike Adass, the Spitalfields Great Synagogue. During this time, the area was home to many Jewish refugees from Russia and Central Europe. The population of Jews decreased over the years, with many moving to areas of North London. The synagogue, losing its worshippers, was eventually closed.

During the 1970s, the area of Spitalfields and Brick Lane was populated mainly by Bangladeshis (squatters) who had come to Britain from the Sylhet region looking for better work. Many found work in factories and the textile trade. That growing community required a place of worship, and the building at 59 Brick Lane was bought and refurbished. In 1976, it reopened as a mosque, the London Jamme Masjid. Today, although it has been renamed, it still serves the Bangladeshi community as a mosque.

All of this can be rectified, buildings can be restored and people evicted. The political will to do so has to be put into place. The only problem to be overcome is the fear of racism that allowed this nationally destructive immigration to take place. When the British Empire died the principle of freedom of movement within the empire was mistakenly interpreted to mean the right to anyone that had been part of the empire to move to Britain. Fear of being seen to be racist allowed this misunderstanding to become law. The end of empire should have meant that each were given their own nation and homeland to build.

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