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Kuffarphobia in Indonesia

Untuk Kristen Indonesia menderita kekerasan dan penganiayaan dari fundamentalisme Islam. For Indonesian Christians suffering violence and persecution from Islamic fundamentalism.

Search Site: http://4freedoms.ning.com/main/search/search?q=Zindonesia
Members: 13
Latest Activity: yesterday

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Christina's story

Started by shiva. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 27, 2013. 1 Reply

Interfaith

Started by shiva Aug 27, 2013. 0 Replies

It is a Strange Place (Dangdut)

Started by shiva. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 5, 2013. 1 Reply

Slutwalk

Started by shiva. Last reply by paul collings May 21, 2012. 3 Replies

DEATHLY SILENCE

Started by shiva. Last reply by iron shanks Feb 26, 2010. 2 Replies

NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE

Started by shiva. Last reply by Netcon Feb 15, 2010. 2 Replies

Hushed rape of Timor

Started by shiva Feb 14, 2010. 0 Replies

Death Of A Nation

Started by shiva Feb 12, 2010. 0 Replies

Now the Law

Started by shiva Nov 24, 2009. 0 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake yesterday

Christian Jakarta governor sentenced to 2 years for ‘blasphemy’ against Islam https://www.rt.com/news/387702-indonesia-governor-jailed-blasphemy

Comment by Alan Lake on December 11, 2016 at 19:40

Christian governor of Jakarta to face trial over Islam ‘insult’ allegations

https://www.rt.com/news/367157-indonesia-governor-muslim-blasphemy

Comment by shiva on June 1, 2015 at 4:33

Anthony This is a response to your post June 19, 2013 at 9:26 I have only just noticed it, as I am trying to catch up what I missed during my absence You give a link that goes to " Why 72 per cent of Indonesians want sharia" based on a scare report from  the Pew Research Center’s The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society  it concluded that 72 per cent of Muslim Indonesians, including women, prefer the implementation of sharia. The survey included 1,880 Indonesians

That is 1,880 Indonesians out of a population of 255.4 million WOW, because of this very erroneous survey most in the CJM label Indonesia as an Islamic shithole

This is far from the truth.

Just recently, Indonesia had elections, and once again all the islamist parties took a thrashing

Comment by paul collings on May 31, 2015 at 12:27

http://t.co/VbZVb8RcNH

Hizb ut Tahrir in Indonesia are allowed celebrations. 

http://t.co/8r2rY82jiD

A whole stadium full.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 5, 2015 at 0:19

No New Year’s fun: Indonesian city bans celebrations under Sharia law — RT News
http://rt.com/news/218927-indonesia-new-year-ban/

Comment by paul collings on December 22, 2013 at 14:05

http://t.co/WOybCLYxUE

Nothing to see here, especially not intolerance or a clash of civilisations.

Comment by Antony on August 27, 2013 at 6:11
Comment by shiva on August 27, 2013 at 4:57

Alan, Good editing :-)

Comment by Alan Lake on August 26, 2013 at 23:47

Thanks for the corrections Shiva.  I agree, there is a wealth of historical material proving terrible crimes of Islam, so its a bad idea to weaken the case by including unreliable information.  

Having agreed that those photos are not applicable to Islam though, the text commentary is reasonable.  And I also know from Christian friends, of mass rape attacks by Muslims against Chinese Christians in Indonesia.  This was before the prevalence of mobile phones with cameras, so its no surprise that there isn't the same photographic record of it.

Comment by shiva on August 26, 2013 at 20:12

The two pictures of so staged rape have a special meaning to me, because I posted them on the Swedish anti jihad site in 2004, then linked the posting to a discussion at Faith Freedom, there, a commentator pointed out to me that the pix were false, and he also gave links, it was because of this person who influenced me to be as correct as possible when posting images of a graphic nature.

 Another pic that means a lot, is the headless body being dragged behind a motor cycle. That incident happened  in a place called Banuwangi.  I happen to know someone there, and he verified the incident.

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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