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Timor Est: Stolen Children by Mullahs

Stolen Children - East timor Link: Here is another one of those stories that makes…

Started by IndoeuropeanLatest Reply

Forced Conversions, Circumcision in Moluccas

Forced Conversions, Circumcision in Moluccas January 19, 2001 Conflict in the Moluccas is set to enter a third year with no end to the vi…

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Indonesia - Persecution of Christians: Ambon and Malluk Islands

Ambons Religious Bloodbath Video: April 1999 - It's no wonder inhabitants are risking their li…

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Aceh province: Sharia Law now imposed on the Kuffar as well

Amid human rights concerns, Indonesian province of Aceh extends Islamic law to some 90,000 non-Muslims. Antonio Zambardino Last updated: …

Started by Alan Lake

3 Oct 19, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

Christina's story

Tommy Rusin, 30, recalls the day in late November when Muslims came to his Christian village on Kesui. "They asked us to convert to Islam,"…

Started by shiva

1 Aug 27, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake


Above is a detail from a photo showing a mural on a wall of the Katolik Santa Maria Preschool and Convent, Situbondo, East Java depicting t…

Started by shiva

0 Aug 27, 2013

It is a Strange Place (Dangdut)

First a little about Dangdut Dangdut is a genre of Indonesian popular music that is partly derived from Hindustani or Hindi music, Malay, A…

Started by shiva

1 Jul 5, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake

Kuffarphobes close Churches & Temples in Banda Aceh: Human Rights NGOs silent

Nine churches and six Buddhist temples shut down under Islamist pressure in Banda Aceh by Mathias Hariyadi For the city's deputy mayor, the…

Started by Alan Lake

0 Oct 20, 2012

Australian Labour Govt. helps Indonesia suppress kuffar

Started by Dave

1 Jul 3, 2012
Reply by shiva

Kuffar Civil Servant Jailed for Blasphemy

So where is Allahu Subhannahu Wa’Taala is Al Wadud (The Loving), Al Hakim (The Wise), Al Wasi (The All-Embracing), Al Ghafur (The All-Forg…

Started by shiva

1 Jun 15, 2012
Reply by shiva


September 19, 2011  Scores of women and children wearing colorful miniskirts and tight leggings gathered in central Jakarta on Sunday, ou…

Started by shiva

3 May 21, 2012
Reply by paul collings

Yuli Rachmawati aka Julia Perez, sexy Star, runs for Elections against Imams

Actress Julia Perez learns lines for political role 
 Published Date: 01 August 2010
  By Norimitsu Onischi [

Started by Indoeuropean

2 May 20, 2012
Reply by shiva

Indonesia: the rule of the street beats the rule of law - AGAIN


Started by Alan Lake

0 Aug 26, 2011


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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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