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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"I think you'll find that the principle of the end justifying the means goes back way…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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""You believe that British people will turn Nazi at the drop of a hat?"I think you ar…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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"When "Edge of the City" was banned (by the joint efforts of the Chief Constable + th…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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"Ignoring the grooming gangs, etc. was the best way to make sure Griffin got to power…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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"To get from the top of one hill to the top of another hill, you sometimes have to ge…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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"Let me step in on Shiva's behalf.  Shiva can say that Nick Griffin was right about g…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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"Tommy is saying the same things about islam and muslims that EDL were saying back in…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

82 Oct 14, 2013
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"Instead of looking for ways to keep things together, too many people are making this…"

Joe replied Oct 12, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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"All I can say is that I know someone gay who goes to the demos who was repeatedly ge…"

Joe replied Oct 11, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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"I have heard it directly from Tommy. I think he said it was at the last Manchester d…"

Joe replied Oct 11, 2013 to Tommy Robinson Joins Quilliam

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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