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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"The Ummha has great pull than the country.  "

Kinana replied Feb 21, 2017 to Muslim Infiltration of the Police and Army

25 Jan 29, 2018
Reply by Alan Lake

"This guy is desperate. A man puts up protest posters on a security fence of a Mosque…"

Kinana replied Mar 18, 2016 to Fiyaz Mughal

23 Mar 18, 2016
Reply by Kinana

"More proof that Halal funds terrorism. "

Kinana replied Jun 3, 2015 to Welfare Jihad in Europe - by Soeren Kern

2 Jun 3, 2015
Reply by Philip Smeeton

"From Keith Thomas: "Looks good to me. I am amazed at the cheek of the ‘migrants’ who…"

Kinana replied May 15, 2015 to Islam and Refugees - Muslims need not apply

4 Oct 28, 2015
Reply by Joe

"This reminds me of a conversation I had with a member of an Ahmadi Muslim at Hyde Pa…"

Kinana replied Sep 21, 2014 to Duplicity of the Ahmadi Muslims

1 Sep 21, 2014
Reply by Kinana

"As you probably know, the insult at the top of the discussion is direct from Allah.…"

Kinana replied Mar 15, 2014 to The Arrogance of Dhimmi Cattle

5 Mar 15, 2014
Reply by Kinana


Kinana replied Feb 9, 2014 to Tariq Ramadan's Context-&-Interpretation Gimmick

6 Apr 11, 2014
Reply by Joe

"Kafir Crusader, excellent info and work re the FOI report.  thanks"

Kinana replied Feb 2, 2014 to Lutfur Rahman - Collected Articles

24 Aug 20, 2014
Reply by Alan Lake

"Yes, Tariq Ramadan's style, scholarship and his status (professor at Oxford?) ensure…"

Kinana replied Jan 18, 2014 to Tariq Ramadan's Bland Passages From the Koran

4 Jan 18, 2014
Reply by Joe

"This guy (TR) is always talking about humility. I have heard him speak a few times a…"

Kinana replied Jan 18, 2014 to Tariq Ramadan's Bland Passages From the Koran

4 Jan 18, 2014
Reply by Joe


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Muslim Terrorism Count

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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