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Key Info on Iraq

Forget all the lies about 1 million Iraqis killed by the Americans.

The war to liberate Iraq itself cost about 2000 Iraqi lives - its not clear how many of those are Iraqi troops.  Since then, about 100,000 Iraqis have died, nearly all due to internecine violence, and collateral damage as insurgents try kill US troops. (Muslim insurgents don't care how many Iraqis they kill as long as they can disrupt the American attempts to create a democratic state in Iraq). All the data you need is here:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
http://icasualties.org/Iraq/IraqiDeaths.aspx

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Comment by Alan Lake on July 14, 2014 at 5:13
Comment by Alan Lake on July 14, 2014 at 5:13
Comment by Alan Lake on June 22, 2014 at 0:10

Some shocking material in here.  Although, of course, the Islamic fascists (NTDWI) have already got 2 of the videos removed.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/06/14/shocking-videos-post-collap...

Comment by Antony on June 17, 2014 at 11:45

Intrigue behind Iraq jihadist uprising - Stratfor - http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/intrigue-lying-behind-iraqs-jihadist...

Comment by Antony on June 12, 2014 at 20:37
Comment by Alan Lake on June 12, 2014 at 13:52

ISIS are pure terrorists: their strategy is to use extreme violence to drive Iraq into a sectarian melee. The group knows that with each atrocity it commits, Iraq’s geographic borders and government institutions lose form.

Finally, the dumb Kuffar are starting to get it.  It will take a while for the message to filter over to the leftist loons at the Guardian though.

This bit is tragi-comic though:

Still, America [he should say the West] cannot allow Iraq to collapse. Too much of our blood and our allies' blood has already been spilled for that nation’s future. 

When he says 'our', what does that mean?  In what sense is a Western country a state in which you can identify with its goals and recognise it as your protector?  How many of these avid bloggers would sacrifice their own blood for the ideals they so religiously espouse?  This talk of 'our blood' is just a parasitic leverage on the sacrifices of an exploited segment of the population (the military), used by chattering classes.  That phrase is more worthy of the socialists of Islington.  If we cannot allow Iraq to collapse, is he prepared to go there and shore up that hapless Rome, in its dying days?

Unfortunately, the realism evidenced in the first quote, evaporates by the time he's got to the end:

Obama should support Maliki with the caveat that the Iraqi leader make reciprocal concessions. These must include power transfers to Iraqi Sunni-centered political parties and the establishment of independent democratic institutions that can cool sectarian flames over the longer term.

I see!  So all that's wrong here is a failure to properly apply our beautiful, all-encompassing, undeniably universal, Secular Democratic Model, the only model which can possibly be used for governance in every single corner of the world? 

Nauseating; and conceited beyond measure.  Can anybody bring back Saddam Hussein?  Anything's better than this.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 7, 2014 at 21:34

I didn't read anything about that on the Muslim controlled BBC.  Strange that, isn't it?  I guess it wasn't important enough to reach the headlines :-)  They did have time for this though:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27632777

Viewpoint: Why Arab Spring has not delivered real democracy

On the face of it, one might conclude that democracy is thriving in the Arab world.

Comment by Alan Lake on February 16, 2014 at 12:52
Comment by Alan Lake on March 23, 2013 at 13:41

This is a good discussion to watch.  The Iraqi refugee, Shant Kenderian, gives a nice overview of what happened in Iraq.  He says they have a saying in Iraq that when you take the lid of a cesspit, you can put the lid back, but you can't put the smell back.

Well, that's what they say about the removal of Saddam Hussein.  So there would have been a mess no matter who deposed him.  Of course, everyone loves to hate Americans and blame them for the Iraqi mess, but, as this Iraqi says, you were going to get a mess when he was removed anyway.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 13, 2013 at 11:33
 

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

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These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
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