The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

This is a capture of John Sobieski's work in the (now defunct) room for League of St. Michael

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I just have to say I am not christian and I loath christianity almost as much as I loathe islam. All religion is a horrible lie and we must recognise that Christianity has done and continues to do terrible things around the world, for example christian childbeaters of the USA. So take your christianity and bog off. I reject it as utter shit, OK?

On the other hand, I don't agree with persecuting people for their beliefs and would do anything to protect christians from other religions, eg islam, which seek to destroy them. Just don't keep trying to shove your horrible christian shit down my throat all the time, please!

Jack i don't believe anyone is forcing christianity down anyones throat. The thing with the christian church is you can take it or leave it and what you have to remember is there are plenty of people who you will see everday who are christian. How do you intend to deal with that, if looking at a few leaflets has caused you to go into a rage.

Rage? No, not rage, disappointment. Christians always present islam as evil and christianity as good. Factual argument against islam can never include simultaneous propaganda for christianity and remain effective. We should never argue against islam on theological grounds because that can only lead to the insanity of religious justification. Leaflets promoting christianity and criticising islam should not be allowed on this site, we are not promoting or decrying any religion, our purpose is to counter jihad, not promote christianity. If you want to promote christianity, I will defend your freedom to do so by all means in my power, but I don't want to have to read christian bullshit here, it does not belong here, this is not a christian site, that's all I'm saying.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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