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It takes a nation to protect the nation



For news and articles on Malaysia which record the rejection of the 4 Freedoms and discrimination against non-Muslims

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Comment by Alan Lake on August 29, 2015 at 18:00

Coming soon to your country: Islamic 'Free Speech'.

Malaysia blocks anti-government rally organiser website

Comment by paul collings on May 16, 2015 at 15:19

Cheers Shiva, 

i obviously need to up date my understanding of what is happening in the region. 

I feel as Philip does, that it seems only logical, or even an obligation for fellow Muslim to help each other, although i suspect help is only an obligation if they are aiding Jihad. 

Comment by shiva on May 16, 2015 at 15:05

Hi Paul

No it is not a ploy, Both Indonesia and Malaysia are very restrictive In who they let in. It is more to do with nationalism and protectivism than to do with Islam. 

I do not know so much about Malaysia, but Though Indonesia has 90% muslims, it is still secular There is a great struggle between the secularists and islamists.  

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 16, 2015 at 14:27

The Muslim population of Indonesia is 90%, in Malaysia it is 60%, Thailand 6%, Australia 2%, France 8%, Germany 5%, UK 5%, US 1%.

It would be logical that Muslims accept Muslim refugees but they are not going to.

Europe, America and Australia have to say no to Muslim refugees, for obvious reasons. With the European population of Muslims at at least 6% it will not be long before some european countries reach a point where islamification is inevitable.

We are not hearing about the Muslim countries that are refusing to help refugees because the rules that the media have laid down classify criticism of Muslims and Islam as racist and islamophobic. Therefore the media can say nothing negative about Islam or Muslims. ISIS of course are not real Muslims and have betrayed Islam, so can be labelled criminal and condemned.

Comment by paul collings on May 15, 2015 at 19:52

Hi Shiva,

I just caught a quick snip of this story on Sky News, where all we got was the bleeding heart version. 

Not many in the UK will understand the problems caused in Thailand by the influx of Muslims into their country, but i didn't realise that Indonesia and now Malaysia were refusing entry. Every ones to busy vilifying Australia for not taking in the Muslim refugees of the region. 

Could this be a ploy by Indonesians and Malays to force the Refugees to head down to Australia  to increase political pressure on the Aussies? or are they genuinely feed up with the Muslims abandoning Myanmar without a fight.

Sorry but i can't believe there's not some political  gain for Islam by these actions.  

Comment by shiva on May 15, 2015 at 18:34

"We don't want them to come here," Deputy Minister Wan Junaidi Tuanku Jaafar, who oversees immigration, said. "We are not prepared to accept that number coming into our shores and those people who are already in, we are sending them home anyway."

No this is not a kufar speaking

Malaysia's announcement follows a similar declaration by the Indonesian government.

Comment by paul collings on March 13, 2015 at 21:01

Malaysian muslim group want action taken against girl who Petted a dog.

If Not Allah may bring more tornados. Well he's bound too.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 4, 2015 at 15:09

Churchill got it just about right.

"... there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live"

In their own countries they live in ignorant squalor. When they come to our countries they become dependent on us economically because they are dysfunctional. Envy causes them to hate our success and want to destroy us.

Free secular democracies encourage thought, inventiveness and enterprise. Islam by strictly regulating all thought and behaviour produces retrogressive societies.

Muslim culture should not be allowed to establish itself in any non-Muslim country.

Comment by paul collings on January 4, 2015 at 12:08

Malaysia may only be recently majority Muslim, but the demands that everyone follow the Sharia are starting already ...

Comment by Alan Lake on January 4, 2015 at 7:35

Malaysia is only recently a majority muslim country. I'm informed that muslims pay lower taxes (indirect jizya). Institutions discriminate against kafirs systematically.

Chinese constitute 30% of the population, but pay 90% of the taxes.  That's the typical Jizya exploitation by the Muslim master race, which we will eventually suffer from in the UK - given that the dumb kaffir won't wake up.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Expenditure
The government can spend money in any way it wants  - except one where the debt burden passes across generations (20 years)
4. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)

An additional Freedom from Religion may be deduced from equal application of the law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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