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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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Kinana replied May 2, 2015 to How Islam Works

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"Nine things you’ll learn from Pew’s poll of the world’s Muslims Posted By Jamie Wein…"

Kinana replied May 2, 2013 to The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society

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Kinana replied Jul 30, 2011 to Ethnic breakdown of England and Wales mapped

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"If the survey can be trusted, it reminds me of the situation in afghanistan where i…"

Kinana replied Jun 2, 2011 to 67% of Pakistanis want Islamization of Society

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"John, thanks for the clarification. Your source is the same as used by Loonwatch whi…"

Kinana replied Dec 6, 2010 to All Terrorists are Muslims?

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Kinana replied Oct 13, 2010 to Half of Muslim men and three quarters of Muslim women are unemployed.

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"'YouGov questioned 526 British Muslims online between 15th and 22nd July 2005; the r…"

Kinana replied Oct 4, 2010 to Yougov Survey: Muslims on Islamic Terrorism (2005)

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"I saw a prog last night on the bbc re writers of the 19080s. the fatwa on Rushdie wa…"

Kinana replied Aug 31, 2010 to Muslim Extremists are not a Minority

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"Mullah Krekar, a refugee from northern Iraq and living in Norway said in 2006: “Just…"

Kinana replied Mar 7, 2010 to List of Supremacist Statements by Prominent Muslims

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"is this Islamic-speak? "We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rom…"

Kinana replied Mar 7, 2010 to List of Supremacist Statements by Prominent Muslims

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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