All Discussions Tagged 'gay-rights' - The 4 Freedoms Library2024-03-28T17:20:30Zhttp://4freedoms.com/group/maps/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=gay-rights&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAttitudes to Homosexuality: 2 Surveys Contrasting Muslims with Christianstag:4freedoms.com,2012-02-16:3766518:Topic:962392012-02-16T11:14:14.577ZJoehttp://4freedoms.com/profile/38DD
<p>When Gallup included questions in its 2009 survey about muslims and their attitudes to homosexuality, 0% of muslims found homosexuality acceptable, whilst 58% of the general population found it acceptable. In arguments with muslims, leftists and even gay people, many would retort: if they had asked this question to British christians as a group, they would have found the same intolerance as from muslims. As the survey did not appear to do this, I was left with saying "well, Britiain is a…</p>
<p>When Gallup included questions in its 2009 survey about muslims and their attitudes to homosexuality, 0% of muslims found homosexuality acceptable, whilst 58% of the general population found it acceptable. In arguments with muslims, leftists and even gay people, many would retort: if they had asked this question to British christians as a group, they would have found the same intolerance as from muslims. As the survey did not appear to do this, I was left with saying "well, Britiain is a predominantly christian country, even if most are not church-going, just like most muslims are not mosque-going". It didn't cut much ice, even though I thought it was probably an accurate guess.</p>
<p>Well, I recently saw a survey directed at British christians where they were asked this question. And the results are in some ways slightly disappointing, but in other ways extremely pleasing. I'll return to that assessment after I post accounts of the 2009 and 2011 surveys,</p>
<hr/><p><br/><strong>Gallup 2009 survey. </strong>(Taken from the Gay and Lesbian Legal Advice site - a mainstream politically-correct gay organisation). <a href="http://www.glaad.org/2009/05/21/gallop-poll-includes-muslim-views-on-homosexuality">http://www.glaad.org/2009/05/21/gallop-poll-includes-muslim-views-on-homosexuality</a></p>
<blockquote><p><br/>GALLUP POLL INCLUDES MUSLIM VIEWS ON HOMOSEXUALITY</p>
<p>Thursday, May 21, 2009 - 2:46pm by advojonathan<br/>Gay Muslims are getting an increasing amount of media coverage recently thanks to award winning documentaries like Jihad for Love and even Showtime's new show Nurse Jackie which co-stars Haaz Sleiman as a gay Muslim nurse. So, it was not surprising when the survey, Gallup Coexist Index 2009: A Global Study of Interfaith Relations, asked Muslims about their views on homosexuality-and garnered media interest.</p>
<p><strong>Dalia Mogahed, Executive Director of the Gallup Centre for Muslim Studies and appointee to the White House faith-based advisory council, released the Gallup survey results on May 7 in London.</strong> Compiled from six different surveys, the <strong>study looks at Muslim attitudes in France, Germany and the United Kingdom</strong>. It is Gallup's first annual report on the state of faith relations and global attitudes among people of faith in different traditions and countries around the world.</p>
<p>According to the survey, <strong>the French are more accepting than any other population polled. 78% of non-Muslims and 35% of Muslims viewed homosexuality as morally acceptable</strong>. Ms. Mogahed said, "This research shows that many of the assumptions about Muslims and integration are wide of the mark." <strong>Germany came in second with 68% of non-Muslims and 19% of Muslims demonstrating acceptance towards homosexual acts.</strong></p>
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<p><strong>Out of the 500 Muslims in Britain interviewed, all responded negatively </strong>but gay Muslims in the UK are becoming increasingly visible and raising awareness. Groups like Al-Fatiha and Imaan are working hard to give a voice to gay Muslims in the UK. Al- Fatiha is in the process of conducting their own survey in order to better understand the experiences and concerns of the British LGBT Muslim community. Meanwhile, <strong>Imaan sponsors an annual LGBT Muslim conference in order to reconcile Islam with sexuality and educate people that Islam is not a homophobic faith and one that all LGBT can practice.</strong></p>
<p><strong>LGBT Muslims are slowly emerging into the spotlight and changing hearts and minds.</strong> As expressed by gay UK journalist Omar Hassan in his recent commentary of the Gallup polls findings in The Advocate, there is no reason not to be optimistic: "I'm still hopeful. Together, we can build new families and communities. It won't be easy, but that shouldn't stop us from trying. After all, we owe it to each other -- we deserve it."</p>
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<hr/><p><br/><strong>IPSOS/MORI Survey 2011</strong>. (Discussed on a gay news website). <a href="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/02/14/uk-study-61-of-christians-back-equal-gay-rights/">http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/02/14/uk-study-61-of-christians-back-equal-gay-rights/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>UK study: 61% of Christians back equal rights for gay couples</p>
<p>by Stephen Gray <br/>14 February 2012, 12:10pm</p>
<p>74% of Christians polled said religion should not have 'special influence' on public policy</p>
<p><strong>Results of a poll released today say 61% of people in the UK who identify as Christian back fully equal rights for gay couples.</strong></p>
<p>The 2011 Ipsos MORI study explored the “beliefs, knowledge and attitudes” of people who identified as Christian after the nationwide census last year.</p>
<p>74% of respondents said as Christians they thought religion should not have a special influence on public life.</p>
<p>The survey was conducted on behalf of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science.</p>
<p>Six in ten respondents, 61%, agreed that gays should have the same rights in all aspects of their lives as straight people.</p>
<p><strong>Only 29% said they disapproved of sexual relationships between gays. Nearly half said they did not actively disapprove.</strong></p>
<p>Commenting on the results of the research, Richard Dawkins said: “In recent years Christian campaign groups have become increasingly vocal.</p>
<p>“Whether demanding special rights for Christians to be exempted from equalities legislation, strenuously opposing all attempts to review the law on assisted suicide, or campaigning against further social advances such as equal rights for gay people to marry, it is now clear that they are completely out of step, not just with the population as a whole, but also with a significant majority of Christians.</p>
<p>“Britain is a secular society, with secular, humane values. There is overwhelming support for these values, even among those who think of themselves as Christian. Just as importantly, there is also deep opposition to the state promoting religion in our society. When even Christians overwhelmingly oppose the intermingling of religion and state policy, it is clearly time for the government to stop ‘doing God’.”</p>
<p><strong>71.6% of respondents to the national UK Census in 2001 said they were Christians. Results from 2011′s census have not yet been published.</strong></p>
<p>Out of the Christians polled in 2011, 57% said state-funded schools should teach knowledge about the world’s faiths without any bias towards Christianity. They also believed the school should not try to promote belief.</p>
<p>The data raises questions of whether it is possible to reflect the views of the UK’s self-identified Christian population on political issues and how widely held religious beliefs on gay issues are.</p>
<p>Half the respondents who identified as Christian said they did not think of themselves as being religious.</p>
<p>Only 10% said they would draw on religious teaching to make a moral decision compared with 54% who would act according to their own “inner” moral sense.</p>
<p>On this data, Dawkins said: “Despite the best efforts of church leaders and politicians to convince us that religion is still an important part of our national life, these results demonstrate that it is largely irrelevant, even to those who still label themselves Christian.</p>
<p>“When it comes to belief, practice or even the most elementary knowledge of the Bible, it is clear that faith is a spent force in the UK, and it is time our policy-makers woke up to that reality and stopped trying to impose beliefs on society that society itself has largely rejected.</p>
<p>“In the past, there have often been attempts to use the Christian figure in the Census to justify basing policy on the claim that faith is important to the British people. This time, any attempt to do so will clearly be inexcusable.”</p>
<p>Gay Humanist charity the Pink Triangle Trust said it welcomed the findings of the poll.</p>
<p>George Broadhead, secretary of the Trust, told PinkNews.co.uk: “These findings must be very welcome both to Humanist and secularists as well as LGBT people. As far as Humanists and secularists are concerned, the findings support their campaign against totally unfair and unjustifiable religious privileges such as Anglican bishops sitting in House of Lords as of right and taxpayers money being used to fund faith schools.</p>
<p>“As far as LGBT people are concerned, it is gratifying that there is such strong support for LGBT rights despite the hostility to these from Anglican, Catholic and other Christian Churches.”</p>
<p>1,136 adults who identified themselves as Christian were interviewed face-to-face in April 2011.</p>
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<hr/><p><br/>As you can see in their text about the 2009 survey, GLAAD try to obscure the massive gap between the general public in Britain and muslims in Britain. They also try to obscure the difference between British muslims and French and German muslims. <strong>GLAAD are actively involved in trying to cover up the muslim homophobia in Britain. The graphic they include shows the truth - Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance for homosexuality.</strong> This point about muslims having zero tolerance was a fact that even The Guardian did not try to hide. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality</a> Yet GLAAD follow on from these entirely negative findings, to go on and push the existence and "growth" of gay muslim groups. (When Tower Hamlets free newsapaper carried a two page photo spread for LGBT history month, the photos did not contain one muslim). None of the gay group IMAAN appear to live in Tower Hamlets (the most muslim borough of London), or if they do, they are so scared of this non-homophobic islam to have their photos taken for the local paper.</p>
<p>The survey of christians on the other hand shows that they had more tolerance than the general public as a whole (61% IPSOS vs. 58% Gallup). That would seem to indicate that the Gallup poll did not distinguish (in its general population part) between christains, atheists, and muslims. With 61% of christians backing equal rights, it would appear they are following their religion - the christianity I learned at school said "hate the sin, love the sinner", and most christians seem to be putting that into practice. </p>
<p>It is the christian campaign groups (and the bishops) who are out of touch with most christians in Britain. Whilst with muslims it seems that the homophobia expressed by Birmingham Central Mosque, Regents Park Mosque and East London mosque is entirely in keeping with the homophobia of the muslim population in general. We never see moderate muslims campaigning against islamic hate conferences held in Earls Court, Wembley, Tower Hamlets, etc. conferences where the speakers have called for gay people to be executed.</p>
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