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Fightback by Maps and Stats

To hold all the key statistics and maps which are so hard to keep track of.

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Latest Activity: Sep 9, 2018

Key Info

This room is for filing important but otherwise hard to find data like Maps, Statistics and Demographics.  Maps are difficult to file because they span several countries and time periods so could be filed in any one of them. Statistics are vital in arguments, but tend to get posted somewhere then get buried under other data.

Condensed stats, for 16-24 year olds in the UK

1/3rd of them:

  • believe that those who leave Islam should be executed
  • prefer to send their child to an Islamic school
  • prefer to live under Sharia law

2/3rds of them:

  • prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil

over 1/10th of them:

  • admire organisations like al-Qaeda that are prepared to fight the West
  • want the UK to be an Islamic state

Discussion Forum


Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 9, 2018. 1 Reply

Muslim Grooming Gangs - Cover Up

Started by Alan Lake Oct 8, 2017. 0 Replies

Muslim Grooming Gangs - Convictions

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 8, 2017. 1 Reply

UK Immigration Figures

Started by Netcon. Last reply by paul collings Aug 11, 2016. 6 Replies

MI5's List of British Terrorists Since 2001

Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 6, 2016. 9 Replies

The Islamization of Britain in 2015 - Gatestone Institute

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by paul collings Jan 21, 2016. 1 Reply

Welfare Stats for the USA

Started by Alan Lake Nov 4, 2015. 0 Replies

How Islam Works

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Joe May 3, 2015. 3 Replies

Collected Statistics on Muslims in Prison

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2015. 6 Replies

Muslim Extremists are not a Minority

Started by John Carlson. Last reply by Joe Dec 21, 2014. 4 Replies

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Comment by Kinana on February 14, 2015 at 10:19

According to the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey, in 2003, 48 per cent of Britons worried that an increase in the Muslim population would weaken Britain’s national identity. By 2013, that had risen to 62 per cent.

A report from the Muslim Council of Britain this week may sharpen those concerns. Based on Census data, it set out how immigration and a high birth-rate have combined to swell Britain’s population to 2.7 million, around a third of them aged under 15.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 18, 2014 at 22:00

The recurrent expression of outrage by critics and themainstream media about the use of deadly force by police officers against unarmed individuals fails to recognize that since 2000 at least 57 suspects have taken officers’ weapons and murdered the police officer with it.

That means that about every three months in the USA, one officer’s family gets a knock on the door and is told that a husband, father, son, or daughter won’t be coming home ever again. Although you won’t see a rally in the street when it happens again, or see five hours a night of news coverage dedicated to the ongoing developments surrounding the incident, it will surely happen again.

While statistics for officers murdered with their own weapons are difficult to research, we know from the Los Angeles Police Protection League, the FBI and that between 2000-10, at least 51 officers were killed by alleged perpetrators who used the officer’s own gun. Four officers were killed in 2011, one officer was killed in 2013. Moreover, so far in 2014, it has been confirmed that Johnson City (New York) Police Officer David Smith was murdered in March with his own weapon. Smith had served in the police department for over 18 years.

In Smith’s case, according to the Officers Down Memorial Page report, before he was able to exit his patrol car or radio for help, the alleged assailant was able to disarm Officer Smith and shoot him while he was still in the patrol car.

Perhaps those that are quick to jump to conclusions in the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson and the death of Ezell Brown in Los Angeles could show some restraint. All the facts are not in and a rush to judgment may be unfair to the innocent as well as damaging to local store owners.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 16, 2014 at 6:33

Comment by Philip Smeeton

Is the shooting of a black person by a white cop always racist?

Three times as many black criminals are shot by police than white criminals (hispanics excluded)). However:

A 2012 study by the Department of Justice’s Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention revealed that in 2010 black youths committed six times more murders, three times more rapes, 10 times more robberies and three times more assaults than did their white counterparts.

Similar statistics were released by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the “Uniform Crime Reports.” They determined, “In the year 2008, black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58% for homicide and 67% for robbery.” By contrast, the only categories where white youths surpassed blacks were in liquor law violations and driving under the influence.

Even black civil rights advocates such as Van Jones, President Barack Obama’s former green jobs czar, confirmed these findings. In his October 5, 2005 article, “Are Blacks a Criminal Race?” Jones wrote, “African American youth represent 32% of all weapons arrests [and] were arrested for aggravated assault at a rate nearly three times that of whites.”

Comment by Joe on November 5, 2014 at 8:04

It was 3.5 million non EEA immigrants who cost the state £118 billion in 15 years.

It was 60 million citizens who cost the state £591 billion in 12 years.

In an attempt to keep the UK as part of the EU, it looks like some truth about the negative costs of immigration are coming out.  Yet only 2 days ago, the Labour MP for Rochdale (home of the one of the most extensive grooming gangs) was writing in The Telegraph about the benefits of immigration.

Comment by Joe on November 5, 2014 at 7:59

That last report has now been superceded.

"migrants from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) made a negative contribution to the public purse of £117.9 billion because they consumed more in public expenditure – including NHS costs, welfare hand-outs and education – than they contributed in taxes."

That the 95% who are the indigenous population also cost £591 billion is irrelevant.  The immigrants cost far more per capita.  

That the indigenous population (including those immigrants who arrived between 1950 and 1995) cost the state, is a sign of how the LibLabCon policy of saddling future citizens with the debts of the current Demos is unworkable.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 4, 2014 at 3:29

House of Lords, 2008 - Immigration brings little or no benefit to the UK:

Comment by Joe on October 30, 2014 at 10:09

This is interesting:

Brits think that 21% of UK population is muslim, and are castigated as "ignorant" because of it.  Never mind that 21% of young offenders are muslim, 25% of meat is halal, and 14% of all convicts are muslims.  

I think that the gut perceptions of the Demos in this survey are probably right.  No doubt the pollsters/journalists are working with some very precise "official" definitions, whilst the Demos are going off their own (factual) perceptions.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 8, 2014 at 22:07

You can download the original report pdf in English here:

But after going through the whole report, I can't find anything about only 16% of young Spaniards are prepared to use weapons to defend Spain.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 8, 2014 at 21:57
Comment by Joe on October 4, 2014 at 14:24

Thanks Paul.  I found that the text you quoted was being discussed on some English sites on Sept. 3rd. I think I've found the original article now (referring to FAD and on Sept. 2nd).

Running it through does not bring up the claim "El Mundo has some interesting figures; only 16% of Spaniards are prepared to use weapons to defend Spain"  - and that seems to be what I read a few weeks ago.  So, it's a bit of a puzzle where they got that claim from.

I found the La Razon article too (Sept. 2nd), but it also seems not to contain any reference to this 16%.

Luckily I live with someone who speaks 8 or more languages, so I'll ask him if that is the correct story.  

Here's the English site where the 16% quote comes from.


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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

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We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
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The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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