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Fightback by Maps and Stats

To hold all the key statistics and maps which are so hard to keep track of.

Members: 30
Latest Activity: on Sunday

Key Info

This room is for filing important but otherwise hard to find data like Maps, Statistics and Demographics.  Maps are difficult to file because they span several countries and time periods so could be filed in any one of them. Statistics are vital in arguments, but tend to get posted somewhere then get buried under other data.

Condensed stats, for 16-24 year olds in the UK

1/3rd of them:

  • believe that those who leave Islam should be executed
  • prefer to send their child to an Islamic school
  • prefer to live under Sharia law

2/3rds of them:

  • prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil

over 1/10th of them:

  • admire organisations like al-Qaeda that are prepared to fight the West
  • want the UK to be an Islamic state

http://4freedoms.com/group/maps/forum/topics/2007-policy-exchange-survey-of-1-000-british-muslims
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
http://www.icasualties.org/Iraq/IraqiDeaths.aspx

Discussion Forum

UK Immigration Figures

Started by Netcon. Last reply by paul collings Aug 11, 2016. 6 Replies

MI5's List of British Terrorists Since 2001

Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 6, 2016. 9 Replies

The Islamization of Britain in 2015 - Gatestone Institute

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by paul collings Jan 21, 2016. 1 Reply

Welfare Stats for the USA

Started by Alan Lake Nov 4, 2015. 0 Replies

How Islam Works

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Joe May 3, 2015. 3 Replies

Collected Statistics on Muslims in Prison

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2015. 6 Replies

Muslim Extremists are not a Minority

Started by John Carlson. Last reply by Joe Dec 21, 2014. 4 Replies

ROP: Collected Poll Data

Started by Alan Lake Jan 27, 2013. 0 Replies

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Comment by Joe on October 30, 2014 at 10:09

This is interesting:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/muslims-immigration-and-teenag...

Brits think that 21% of UK population is muslim, and are castigated as "ignorant" because of it.  Never mind that 21% of young offenders are muslim, 25% of meat is halal, and 14% of all convicts are muslims.  

I think that the gut perceptions of the Demos in this survey are probably right.  No doubt the pollsters/journalists are working with some very precise "official" definitions, whilst the Demos are going off their own (factual) perceptions.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 8, 2014 at 22:07

You can download the original report pdf in English here:
http://adolescenciayjuventud.org/es/publicaciones/indicadores-basic...

But after going through the whole report, I can't find anything about only 16% of young Spaniards are prepared to use weapons to defend Spain.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 8, 2014 at 21:57
Comment by Joe on October 4, 2014 at 14:24

Thanks Paul.  I found that the text you quoted was being discussed on some English sites on Sept. 3rd. I think I've found the original article now (referring to FAD and on Sept. 2nd).  

http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2014/09/02/5405a812ca4741d7098b4578.html

Running it through translate.google.com does not bring up the claim "El Mundo has some interesting figures; only 16% of Spaniards are prepared to use weapons to defend Spain"  - and that seems to be what I read a few weeks ago.  So, it's a bit of a puzzle where they got that claim from.

I found the La Razon article too (Sept. 2nd), but it also seems not to contain any reference to this 16%.

http://www.larazon.es/detalle_movil/noticias/7258262/sociedad/cuatr...

Luckily I live with someone who speaks 8 or more languages, so I'll ask him if that is the correct story.  

Here's the English site where the 16% quote comes from.

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news-spain/papers/Spain_Papers_Revi...

Comment by paul collings on October 4, 2014 at 11:52

I've found this Joe. I'm going to try and find  the original article, although your superior search skills may be better than mine I suspect.

El Mundo has some interesting figures; only 16% of Spaniards are prepared to use weapons to defend Spain, 47.1% would not sacrifice their life for anybody outside the family.
From the same FAD survey La Razón reports more than half of Spanish youngsters are in favour of the death penalty

Comment by Joe on October 4, 2014 at 10:42

I have been trying to find a web page I saw in the past 2 months, which showed something like only 16% of Spaniards would defend their country without a second thought if it was invaded.  The number rose to something like 35% when those who would join up after some time for consideration.

I can't find any reference to this now.  I'm wondering if anyone else saw this survey and remembers where it was posted.  I'm sure I saw it referenced on several different sites on the same day. 

Comment by paul collings on September 19, 2014 at 16:23

http://t.co/B7yjOjPhLF

The forecast for world population growth in the next century.

Sub Sahara Africa looks like making up a large portion of the worlds future people.  

A continent that can barely feed itself, or produce enough water. Africa is a continent at war with itself, with famine, and disease, not to mention religion.

Look at how many are running from this continent now. What will it look like in the coming decades,

What about the middle eastern countries, their populations are growing, the largest group are the under 25's. 

Europeans on the other hand are a dwindling race of people.  demographics are everything. These numbers, even the lower prediction shows what Europe will look like within a couple of generations.    

Comment by paul collings on March 31, 2014 at 15:01

http://t.co/D4QTszfkBk

I don't believe for one moment that Muslims account for 4.7% of the population. I'd bet were looking at near 6%. Can't prove it of cause because of the difficulty in getting Illegals to put their hands up to be counted.

Anyone who travels Britain enough will see for themselves the demographic change happening right before their  eyes.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 31, 2014 at 13:43

If muslims are 4.7% of the population, but the greatest concentration of muslims is under 21, then the muslims over 21 are probably only 3% of the population.  

If 3% of the population make up 43% of the prisoners in the high-security prison, then muslims are more than 1000% over-represented in those prisons.  If they were 6% of those in high-security prisons, then they would be 100% over-represented.  This shows the scale of the problem.

When 3% of the population are 14% of the ordinary prison population, then they are almost 400% over-represented.

Comment by Joe on February 28, 2014 at 20:59

The map of Anti-Gay countries below, is remarkable close to this map of Islamic countries:

http://4freedoms.com/photo/islam-world-map?context=album&albumI...

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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