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Fightback by Maps and Stats


Fightback by Maps and Stats

To hold all the key statistics and maps which are so hard to keep track of.

Members: 30
Latest Activity: Sep 9, 2018

Key Info

This room is for filing important but otherwise hard to find data like Maps, Statistics and Demographics.  Maps are difficult to file because they span several countries and time periods so could be filed in any one of them. Statistics are vital in arguments, but tend to get posted somewhere then get buried under other data.

Condensed stats, for 16-24 year olds in the UK

1/3rd of them:

  • believe that those who leave Islam should be executed
  • prefer to send their child to an Islamic school
  • prefer to live under Sharia law

2/3rds of them:

  • prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil

over 1/10th of them:

  • admire organisations like al-Qaeda that are prepared to fight the West
  • want the UK to be an Islamic state

Discussion Forum


Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 9, 2018. 1 Reply

Muslim Grooming Gangs - Cover Up

Started by Alan Lake Oct 8, 2017. 0 Replies

Muslim Grooming Gangs - Convictions

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 8, 2017. 1 Reply

UK Immigration Figures

Started by Netcon. Last reply by paul collings Aug 11, 2016. 6 Replies

MI5's List of British Terrorists Since 2001

Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 6, 2016. 9 Replies

The Islamization of Britain in 2015 - Gatestone Institute

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by paul collings Jan 21, 2016. 1 Reply

Welfare Stats for the USA

Started by Alan Lake Nov 4, 2015. 0 Replies

How Islam Works

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Joe May 3, 2015. 3 Replies

Collected Statistics on Muslims in Prison

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2015. 6 Replies

Muslim Extremists are not a Minority

Started by John Carlson. Last reply by Joe Dec 21, 2014. 4 Replies

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Comment by Joe on October 4, 2014 at 10:42

I have been trying to find a web page I saw in the past 2 months, which showed something like only 16% of Spaniards would defend their country without a second thought if it was invaded.  The number rose to something like 35% when those who would join up after some time for consideration.

I can't find any reference to this now.  I'm wondering if anyone else saw this survey and remembers where it was posted.  I'm sure I saw it referenced on several different sites on the same day. 

Comment by Alan Lake on March 31, 2014 at 13:43

If muslims are 4.7% of the population, but the greatest concentration of muslims is under 21, then the muslims over 21 are probably only 3% of the population.  

If 3% of the population make up 43% of the prisoners in the high-security prison, then muslims are more than 1000% over-represented in those prisons.  If they were 6% of those in high-security prisons, then they would be 100% over-represented.  This shows the scale of the problem.

When 3% of the population are 14% of the ordinary prison population, then they are almost 400% over-represented.

Comment by Joe on February 28, 2014 at 20:59

The map of Anti-Gay countries below, is remarkable close to this map of Islamic countries:

Comment by Joe on February 28, 2014 at 20:58

Worst countries in the world to be gay.  And still Tatchell and Owen Jones support islam.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 15, 2013 at 6:47

That whole report is vile - so full of lies and deceit that I'm not even going to start.  The writers name does sound Turkish though, perhaps he's annoyed that Turkey lost its Ottoman empire (which obviously was an example of the good type of imperialism).

Comment by Joe on December 14, 2013 at 17:33

Well, well, well... all the problems in the Middle East are because of the impatience/lack of sensitivity of Britain & France.

Of course, we find a muslim on the Leftist BBC coming out with this crap.  What's his explanation for Pakistan having the highest rate of islamic terrorism in the world?  Why are muslims in Thailand killing people there?

Buried inside this tripe is an implicit admission of the true problem: "from the end of the Crusades up until the arrival of the European powers in the 19th Century, and despite the region's vibrant trading culture, the different sects effectively lived separately from each other."  Islam is totalitarian, and different sects of muslims will kill each other and kill other religions.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 5, 2013 at 2:17

2013 survey - 40% of Britons think civil war with muslims is "inevitable" (up from 33%).

In that Guardian survey, 59% say they think a civil war is "likely" or "inevitable".

Comment by Alan Lake on November 15, 2013 at 20:27

Proportion of Muslim prisoners in England and Wales doubles in decade

Latest Ministry of Justice report also confirms black and Asian people remain far more likely to be stopped by police

Alan Travis, home affairs editor, Thursday 14 November 2013 14.50 GMT

The justice ministry figures show that the jail population is getting older, with the over-60s doubling to 4% in 10 years. Photograph: Brian Harris/Alamy

The proportion of prisoners in jails in England and Wales who are Muslim has nearly doubled over the past 10 years, according to new figures from the Ministry of Justice.

The latest official snapshot also confirms the ageing profile of the prison population over the last 10 years, with the majority of inmates now over 30, and the number over 60 almost doubling to more than 3,300, or 4%.

The government's annual report on race in the criminal justice system published on Thursday confirms that black and Asian people remain far more likely than white people to be stopped and searched by the police on the street, arrested and sent to prison on conviction.

The annual statistics say despite a reduced use of stop and search powers by the police, black people remain six times more likely to be stopped, and those who are Asian or mixed race twice as likely to be stopped.

A separate justice ministry 2013 profile of the prison population shows that black, Asian and other minority ethnic groups still make up 26% of those jailed in England and Wales. This is twice the proportion of black, Asian and other minority ethnic groups in the general population, and has remained around this level since the ethnic data was first regularly published in 2004.

The justice ministry figures do show some changes within that overall picture. In particular, the religious profile of the prison population shows there has been a steady rise in the percentage of prisoners who are Muslim, from 7.7% in 2002 to 13.4% in 2012.

The percentage identifying themselves as Christian has fallen over the same period, from 58% to 51%, while those with no religion account for 30% of those inside.

The figures also confirm that the jail population is getting older, partly as a result of an increased number of convictions for historic sex offences following the Jimmy Savile case. A decade ago prisoners under 30 made up the majority of the prison population, or 52%, but the younger age group now only make up 43% of the total prison population of 85,000.

A majority are now over 30. In 2002, the over-40s accounted for only 18% of prisoners, but now they make up 30% of all prisoners.

Prison governors are also having to cope with the problems posed by those over 60, with their percentage growing from 2% to 4% of the total over the past decade. More than 3,300 are over 60, with several jails now being dedicated to holding them. One Norfolk prison holds so many that it can field 26 teams in its bowls club.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 22, 2013 at 6:00

THE number of Muslim convicts in British prisons surpassed the 11,000 mark for this first time this year according to data included in a new report produced this summer in the UK

According to this August report, the statistics – from a July 29 House of Commons research report entitled, “Prison Population Statistics” – show that the number of Muslim inmates in England and Wales jumped to 11,248 in 2012, up from 3,681 in 1997. Stated another way, over the past 15 years, the number of Muslims in British prisons has jumped by more than 200 percent.

The rate of increase of Muslim inmates in British prisons is eight times faster than that of the overall prison population, and the numbers show a clear over-representation of Muslim convicts: Muslims, who make up roughly 5 percent of the British population as a whole, now make up 13 percent of the British prison population (compared to just 6 percent in 1997).

Comment by Alan Lake on September 17, 2013 at 17:45

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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