The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Fightback by Maps and Stats


Fightback by Maps and Stats

To hold all the key statistics and maps which are so hard to keep track of.

Members: 30
Latest Activity: Sep 9, 2018

Key Info

This room is for filing important but otherwise hard to find data like Maps, Statistics and Demographics.  Maps are difficult to file because they span several countries and time periods so could be filed in any one of them. Statistics are vital in arguments, but tend to get posted somewhere then get buried under other data.

Condensed stats, for 16-24 year olds in the UK

1/3rd of them:

  • believe that those who leave Islam should be executed
  • prefer to send their child to an Islamic school
  • prefer to live under Sharia law

2/3rds of them:

  • prefer Muslim women to choose to wear the veil

over 1/10th of them:

  • admire organisations like al-Qaeda that are prepared to fight the West
  • want the UK to be an Islamic state

Discussion Forum


Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 9, 2018. 1 Reply

Muslim Grooming Gangs - Cover Up

Started by Alan Lake Oct 8, 2017. 0 Replies

Muslim Grooming Gangs - Convictions

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 8, 2017. 1 Reply

UK Immigration Figures

Started by Netcon. Last reply by paul collings Aug 11, 2016. 6 Replies

MI5's List of British Terrorists Since 2001

Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Aug 6, 2016. 9 Replies

The Islamization of Britain in 2015 - Gatestone Institute

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by paul collings Jan 21, 2016. 1 Reply

Welfare Stats for the USA

Started by Alan Lake Nov 4, 2015. 0 Replies

How Islam Works

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Joe May 3, 2015. 3 Replies

Collected Statistics on Muslims in Prison

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2015. 6 Replies

Muslim Extremists are not a Minority

Started by John Carlson. Last reply by Joe Dec 21, 2014. 4 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on December 25, 2010 at 20:39

There must be so many "fundamentalists" of Islam around the world for the bombs to go off with such regularity, as they have since 9/11 killed over 16,500 worldwide.

Over 16,500 is the number of atrocities. The vast majority of atrocities have resulted in multiple deaths. Beslan (352 dead), Bali (202), London (52), Madrid (191), Mumbai (170) and the attack on the Yazidis (500) represent but half a dozen of those atrocities but between them have resulted in around 1,500 deaths. You can bet those 16,500 atrocities have resulted in 120,000-plus deaths, with many more atrocities unknown or not included, like the ongoing genocisde against the Darfurians which have resulted in the murder of at least 300,000 people.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 6, 2010 at 9:27
Muslims as a percentage of the population in the USA

Comment by Netcon on April 27, 2010 at 0:07
Reply by Richard Londonbourne on September 27, 2009 at 9:10pm
It is helpful to use statistics gathered by reliable bodies like NOP. A survey of muslim opinion taken in August 2006 show that 48% have never attended a mosque, 19% 'once' and 6% on 'special occasions' This is 73% 17% say that they want Britian to be an Islamic state and 14% feel that they 'belong' to Islam and not to the UK. Extremists are a minority but a very vocal minority and there are enough of them to cause a serious problem to our society.

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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