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Military Victims

This room is to help protect Soldiers rights, who are vulnerable to particular forms of abuse by the government, by acts of both commission and omission.

Members: 7
Latest Activity: Nov 17

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Many state employees are victims of abuse by modern Western governments which repudiate former values of discipline and respect for authority. So Teachers, Police and Firemen all receive unpunished abuse from students and the public. 

The position of the military is even worse however, in that they cannot even resign their position, they can only buy themselves out. Hence this room is to focus on their particularly vulnerable position.

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Comment by Alan Lake on November 17, 2014 at 8:20

​‘Anyone with a pulse’: British Army to recruit over 50s as reserves dwindle — RT UK
http://rt.com/uk/205523-army-reserve-recruitment-shocking/

I know this is from the RT news site, but look at the comments.  There is, from apparently Western posters, widespread disillusionment with the prostitution of our armed forces and governments search for suckers to fill the gap, just as bad as my own!

The very expensive recruitment drive only netted an increase of 20, when its 10,000 that's needed.  And you have to wonder, if they'd spent that advertising money instead on bullet proof vests for the first troops that went to Afghanistan (yes, we haven't forgotten), would there be a more friendly attitude to this campaign?  Its a joke, a bad joke.

Comment by Antony on November 4, 2014 at 6:21

Saw both episodes of a Lion's Roar - good programme - did none of parliament and the media ask why, if we have thousands of troops, we only sent 500 ?!, nor why the materials for the dam project that cost millions were just being left to rust to this day ?

I also recall seeing a very brief interview with some soldiers based in Afghanistan a few years back in which they said their food & water supplies were so short that they had to go out into the countryside and forage for food !

I think there are still quite a few tales to come out of both Iraq and Afghanistan concerning both mismanagement and war profiteering ..... and the ongoing question as to why our great leaders allowed themselves to get taken for a ride by Pakistan.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 4, 2014 at 4:27

Afghanistan: The Lion's Last Roar?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b04ndzn8

An excellent documentary about the British campaign in Afghanistan, and questioning if Britain will/can ever again mount a serious overseas operation.

Two things become clear.  The prostitution of the land forces is even worse than we ever thought.  Sent with inadequate equipment, lack of backup, woefully few men, and total confusion from the government about the strategic goal - men were just sacrificed (450 dead) on the alter of political expediency.

Secondly, it is also clear that this is the last overseas campaign.  We are now finished as a global power.  The seeds of that were shown in the Falklands, where again men were sacrificed to cover up for deprivation of funds, foreign office muddle, and even Margaret Thatcher's pride.  We won, but it was a close thing, and with an unnecessarily high cost in men's lives.  

Well, consider that since the Falklands there have been 2 major reductions in the armed forces, with the current one taking us from 100,000 down to 80,000 men.  We simply don't have the attack and transport helicopters to properly back up even the smaller number; which is why we constantly have to turn to the Americans.  

I'm struggling to put this into words, because we are fed a constant stream of myths from the media that our armed forces are amongst the best in the world, totally ignoring the numbers involved.  We just don't have the men or the machines, in sufficient number, to be able to mount a serious campaign.  You have to de-indoctrinate yourself of that pervasive myth, even spouted by the Guardian aristocracy.

In the documentary above, after 9 years in Afghanistan, Cameron makes the historic announcement in parliament that he is boosting troop numbers by 500.  Yes, you heard that right.  Not 50,000, which could have controlled the country, not 5000 which is a quarter of the extra needed for our province (Helmand) alone, no, it was 500, of which combat troops would probably number 150.  Parliament should have laughed him down, not debated the issue!  But then, that is testament to the modern baby man, with no military training or even grasp of military history, given positions of power for which he is not equiped.

Comment by Joe on May 21, 2014 at 12:37

"Well, here's a story unearthed about Muslim rebellion in the British Forces, and about Muslim co-operation with enemy forces.  I wonder if this was a factor in the British collapse?"

Japanese who were living in Malaysia were serving as spies for Japan. They were secretly cycling round the country mapping out invasion routes, troop positions, etc.

The documentary I watched about the fall of Singapore did not mention muslim traitors in the British army.  That documentary claimed it was Sikhs who were fighting as part of the British army. They went over to the side of the Japanese. The Japs promised that once Britain lost the war, India would gain independence.

Comment by Antony on May 21, 2014 at 11:22
Comment by Alan Lake on April 24, 2014 at 7:49

You know the very odd 'worst defeat in British History' with the fall of Singapore to Japanese forces?  Even with the guns pointing in the wrong direction (at the sea), and the troops being raw recruits, it still doesn't make sense that the British surrendered their fortified encampment to a force 1/4 the size of their own.

Well, here's a story unearthed about Muslim rebellion in the British Forces, and about Muslim co-operation with enemy forces.  I wonder if this was a factor in the British collapse?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/history-of-th...

Comment by Joe on February 27, 2014 at 11:43
Comment by Joe on February 27, 2014 at 11:43

So, be a killer for a terrorist organisation, and the government gives you exemption from prosecution.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/10664537/Ton...

Make a mistake as a soldier, and be sent to prison for it.

What does this tell people?  It encourages them to become terrorist killers rather than join the army.

Comment by Joe on February 25, 2014 at 9:15

UK soldiers told to disguise themselves when off-duty in Afghanistan and Libya, because it is too dangerous to be surrounded by muslims.

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/hounslow-soldiers-on...

Oh wait.  Did I say the threat came from muslims in Libya and Afghanistan?  I meant England.

Remember the soldiers who stepped in to run the Olympics, following the government's failures?  They were spat at and brutalised when outside their barracks in Tower Hamlets.  Now it's got to the point where they are told they face decapitation by all those millions of loyal muslims the MBC warned us about.

Comment by Alan Lake on February 16, 2014 at 12:48
 

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Mission Overview

Most prosperous Western societies are based on a model we call the Secular Democratic Marketplace (SDM). Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the principal agents exploiting these defects, is Islam. Therefore, this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks; nor to read them; nor even to record them. So 4F gives only a brief overview of how far it has advanced and by what methods.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow Muslims the possibility of escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close the 4 vulnerabilities in the standard model of SDM, by making them Self-Protecting (SP) according to Hobbes's first law of nature.
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Religion
Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere.
4. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed only if it can be shown not to favour any party

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