It takes a nation to protect the nation
I hadn't particularly wanted to focus anything in particular on Breivik's trial, as I felt it would be covered extensively in the media and by various counter-jihad freedom fighter blogs. But it seems they are giving it little coverage. I guess that they are wanting to keep a low profile. So, I will start to post some of the interesting things that are in the corners of this trial, and which the media will probably ignore. This will not necessarily be a chronological account - I'll just post things here as I see them, which may mean the chronology will be less than linear.
The first thins is an interview with the leader of the Norwegian Defence League, who has been called to give evidence. As he says he has never had contact with Breivik, and there is no evidence that Breivik was ever "a member" of the NDL, one has to wonder what on earth his testimony would prove. Even if the opposite was true, it would not mean that this man or the NDL has responsibility for Breivik's actions -- Anwar al Awlaki was considered responsible for telling muslims to go and kill people. The leader of the NDL brings out other interesting issues, like why is the Coward of Utoya island not on the list of witnesses? The Coward of Utoya Island was there on the day when the shooting happened. Read the details here, and ask yourself whether or not this Coward is a far more pertinent witness:
http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/norway/forum/topics/the-coward-of-u...
So the Coward, with years of experience in being questioned, is not going to be interrogated in court, yet ordinary people who had nothing to do with Breivik are going to get the full glare of the media machine.
The questions are italiicised. Please complain if it is still not clear who is saying what.
http://norwegiandl.com/modules/nyheter_norsk/item.php?itemid=85
You are summoned as a witness in the trial against Anders Breivik. Do you have any idea about why you’r called for? Did you have any contact with him at all?
“Until 23/7 (the day after terrorist attacks), I had never heard his name, I have never had any contact with him. Thus, I’am very surprised that he summon me as a witness in this case and I mean it is ridiculous that Norwegian law allows this. It makes it a mystery to me why I was summoned as a witness.
I fear that our opinion will be misused by the press and media so that we are portrayed as minded with a terrorist, and this in turn will be used in an attempt to silence the critics of Islam. The first day of the trial already, the press questioned if critics of Islam should be banned! This is the worst possible solution.
This will definitely be the last nail in the coffin for freedom of expression in Norway. We will never stop criticism of Islam. It would mean that the rest of the population loses the ability to listen to us... In addition, we, Islam critics, lose the ability to detect people who want violence as a solution”.
Blitz's-member and leftwing professional demonstrator Stein Lillevolden is called as a witness too; it is possible that “Blitz” may have connection to the motivation of Breivik, because of the fact that NDL was infiltrated by Blitz-members before the organization was completely restructured and Lena Andreassen and Blitz’ infiltrators were caught and thrown by EDL?
“I cannot answer what contact Blitz, SOS Racism and others, trying to "hijack" NDL (feb2011 to April 2011)…had with the terrorist, but that he summoned Lillevolden as a witness could indicate that he ( the terrorist) has a thought behind it, and a goal. It could been fun to see how many emails “SOS Racism” actually wrote to the terrorist in order to create the livelihood of the organization's fraud ... and last but not least; to see what the subject was. Remember that the organization “Serve The People” are the owners of “SOS Racism”, and they are working for an armed revolution in Norway…”
Has Breivik ever been a member of NDL after that Lena Andreassen steered the ship straight into the iceberg?
“In police interrogations (with the terrorist) the Police confirms that he was never a member of the NDL. This is in line with what NDL has claimed all the time. The fact that the previous leader (Lena Andreassen) has maintained this is probably due to several things. First, it involves a confusion between two nearly identical profiles on Facebook. One called "Sigurd Jordsalfar" and the other who called himself "Sigurd Jordsalfare". The latter is the terrorist and has NEVER been associated with NDL.
Moreover, the media's intense hunting for scapegoats is one of the reasons why the terrorist is linked to the NDL (by the press), and we have repeatedly pointed out that the terrorist was NOT a member of the NDL! The problem is that the media is not interested in telling the truth.
I would like to add that I NEVER said that the terrorist was a member with us. This is something the media have invented! What I have said is that I cannot rule out that he was a member during the period “SOS Racism” did coup NDL. Now when it is known that he was NOT a member of the NDL, I wonder if the press will render this fact during, or after the trial….”
What will you say to Breivik if you get a chance to a direct appeal to him?
“I have no desire to say anything to him, I expect that my testimony will show that I despise his actions, and what he did cannont be justified, under NO circumstances!”
Do you think Islam-critical persons are called to testify, only to be accused of both defender and prosecutor as accomplices in Breivik's insane actions on Utøya and in Oslo?
“I believe that the Norwegian people will distinguish between us, who want to use freedom of expression, information and democratic means to create a discussion about the increasing adaptation to the ideology of Islam, - and the terrorists, - to which he belongs! His methods are just as bad as the Islamists themselves uses, namely terror and fear. And I know of NO serious critics of Islam in any way supporting his actions. To accuse us of being accomplices is a direct insult, an insult on a par with terrorist ideas. He argues that he HAD to stop the Labor progress.
For the politicians to say we should be banned because we are fellows in crime must be another way of saying that they are afraid of an open and informative debate on the matter.”
What is your opinion about being summoned as a witness, while Eskil Pedersen who actually was on Utøya during the killing and escaped by ferry, is not summoned?
“I am amazed to the witness list in the whole and cannot believe that our legal system allows a terrorist to call whoever he wants. I have contacted various agencies to avoid having to testify because I feel I have nothing to contribute, and cannot see anything positive by witness in this case. I had however expected that Eksild Pedersen was called as a witness, if only to illustrate what he experienced at Utøya and that he would give an explanation as to why he not ordered the ferry back to rescue more helpless people, who were abandoned on the island.
In addition I had hoped he would explain why the radio communications was broken and why they deliberately did not picked up helpless people in the water.
As I see it this is of great public interest and as such it should have been examined, especially as the AUF leader now come forward and insist that he was the main target, despite the fact that the terrorist all along have claimed that Harlem Brundtland was the target. Is this something the terrorist have said to scare the AUF leader even more, or does it mean that we cannot trust any of the so-called plans of the terrorist?”
Prior to 22.7; had you heard about Breivik?
“NO, I'd never heard his name or had any contact with any of his many fake profiles. Nor no one I know had heard of him before 22/7!”
Do you, as Breivik, believe that the Islamization of Norway has gone too far? If so, why?
“The terrorist and I have totally different view regarding the solution concerning the Islamization of Norway and the rest of the West. It is impossible to avoid that we share certain points. This because his manifesto consists of cut-and-paste from various bloggers previous manifest.
Even the police and PC (Political Correct) politicians agree in parts of the manifest if it is split up into small enough topics. Primarily we disagree in the solution because I want to use free speech as a tool to inform what's happening. The way it develops in Norway, we should take the issue seriously because the muslims they (security service) refere to as extremists today, are in increasing numbers!
The difference between Norway and some other countries is the population is tha it should not be a large number of immigrants before the Islamist groups is considered as large. There are already major extremist groups seeking to impose sharia in Norway. As known; Sharia is a totalitarian and oppressive law.
When looking at Sharia law, it is frightening that Norway will equate this ideology Islam with Christianity in the Constitution. It is completely wrong to equate an ideology that fights against gender equality, freedom, democracy and all the other rights we see as a matter of course in Norway. Our politicians will introduce a law that will make it a criminal offense to criticize oppression and terrorism in this country.”
On your opinion; is the danger of another terrorist attack in Norway the most from a new Breivik, or from a crazed Islamist?
“Both me, other critics of Islam, PST, and a number of others believe that the threat level in Norway is unchanged, which means that what is referred to as extreme Islamists represent the largest threat in and to Norway. We look at developments in networks, and in fact we see that the number of "extreme" Islamists develops in an alarming speed. I wonder when the media will focus on these groups...
I fear however that the attitude of society today against Islam's critics may create more immigrants that intervenes to violence to focus on Islamization. We clearly see that's happening.”
Is Breivik's greeting in the courtroom a Nazi salute, as the media claims, or is it something he has invented for his imaginary army, where he's sort of commander?
“The mentioned greeting he performed in court is probably another fantasy he has come up with. I am sure that if he had been asked what the greeting means, he would have had an explanation problem. That the media regards this as a right-wing attitude is just as stupid as the greeting. I will make a cautious assumption of what he means by this greeting; it could be that he has done this because of love for his country and thus feel he is unjust accused. This is of course reprehensible! The man should be put in a cell and remain there! Such people should not be let loose again and should never be granted leave from prison.”
Is Breivik crazy?
“YES! I personally believe that a person who commits such an act must be crazy, he might not be crazy in legal sense as he have been planning this for many years, according to him selves. But there is little or no doubt that he is NOT normal! That said, I am amazed that he is addressed as unaccountable as the latest report claims he is sane.”
Merker:
Natalie Rothschild : It is'nt only Breivik whose on trial in Oslo : http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/12361/
There's plenty of journalists and "experts" at Searchlight, HNH, UAF etc. who are going to look even more stupid and partisan now.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/20/anders-behring-breivik-...
Anders Behring Breivik has denied having contact with the English Defence League, the anti-Islamic network formed in Britain in 2009.
Giving evidence on the fifth day of his 10-week trial for killing 77 people in Norway last summer, the 33-year-old admitted he had posted on internet forums linked to the EDL and had traded messages with an EDL member on one of them. But, he insisted: "I have never had contact with the English Defence League."
He told the court that the EDL was fundamentally different from the Knights Templar (KT), the anti-immigration network of "militant nationalists" to which he professes to belong. He said: "The EDL is an anti-violent organisation supporting democracy and [opposing] Sharia and Islamisation and they have nothing to do with KT at all. You cannot even compare them."
Questioned by his own lawyers about how he was able to carry out the attacks, Breivik described a "meditation" technique he had developed which mixed "Christian prayer" and Japanese "Bushido warrior codex" practised by Samurai fighters.
Breivik insisted on Friday he was a "nice person" capable of empathising with those whose lives he had ruined, but that he had chosen not to as a self-preservation technique. "In many ways it is a protection mechanism," he said. "First of all, if you are going to be capable of executing such a bloody and horrendous operation you need to work on your mind, your psyche, for years. We have seen from military traditions you cannot send an unprepared person into war."
Asked how he was able to talk about the atrocities in such an impassive manner, Breivik said he had learned to rely on "technical, de-emotionalised language" — "if I was going to use normalised language it would not have been possible" to go through police interviews and the trial. "People say: 'He must be a monster, he cannot be from this planet, he must have no emotions and empathy left', but this has to do with preparing and training."
Breivik claimed he was "quite normal up until 2006 when I started training". Those who knew him saw him as "a nice person, a sympathetic person who is quite caring to friends".
He added: "Under normal circumstances I am a very nice person. An example is a funeral that I went to, when my best friend Peter's brother died. I felt that was the saddest day I have ever experienced in my life. I believe I was the one who cried the most, the hardest, during that funeral."
The self-styled Knight Templar claimed he had a good relationship with his family, particularly his sister, who lives in Los Angeles, and his retired mother, with whom he lived for the five years leading up to the attacks. He told the court he would urge his mother to find a hobby, but that she would tell him: "You're my hobby". She has been called by the prosecution to give evidence but has been excused on medical grounds.
Breivik claimed he carried out the attacks out of love: "My love to my ethnic group, my people, my country, is stronger than my love for myself." He was not a narcissist because "a narcissist would never sacrifice himself for anything or anybody".
Breivik said he was fighting against anti-European racism carried out by "the Norwegian media and the Marxist elites". He said: "I am not a racist. I am an anti-racist."
He objected to the "feminisation" of Norway, which he said was imported from the Soviet Union by the Norwegian Labour party after the second world war. "Suddenly boys are supposed to start knitting and doing crochet and cooking," he complained, saying that traditional gender role models were reversed when girls were learning about DIY.
Asked what comprised the Norwegian culture which he killed to protect, Breivik said: "Everything in Norway, ranging from door handles, patterns, beer brands, contributes to our way of being … everything is culture, everything that surrounds us. The way we speak, act, school discipline, politeness, the way we address each other."
On Friday afternoon the prosecution was due to begin questioning Breivik about how he prepared for and carried out the gun attack which left 69 dead on the island of Utøya.
This is a very good analysis by Fjordman, found over at Gates of Vienna. One can't expect such levels of analysis from the so-called "professional" journalists.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/trial-of-anders-behring...
This remark in particular put me in mind of Mohammed and the Koran: "In a striking number of cases Breivik doesn’t make logical sense even when read on his own terms. In general, he comes off as logically incoherent, exceptionally self-centered and seemingly devoid of any conscience."
Anders Breivik moved to tears by his own propaganda movie: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/apr/16/breivik-cries-own...
Ken Livingstone moved to tears by his own propaganda movie: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/11/ken-livingstone-tear...
What is it with maudlin ego-maniacs?
Ah the famous "Knights Templar" - Those who brought the "holy grail" back from Jerusalem to England, then to Scotland... then to France... ;) I guess King Robert "the Bruce" has some explaining to do. lol
Alan Lake said:
While I do agree with some of the things he said, I disagree with others.
I don't have time now to go through it all but pointing out racial differences for example, is not proof of racism. There are many things that some races can do better than others, and this is not racism, but a biological truth pertaining to the Human genetic make up. So "Fjordman" discusses certain things with a certain degree of sheer ignorance, and claims they are "inconsistencies, discrepancies or contradictions" when the truth is his own failure to grasp certain issues.
Besides, I do not like his way of thinking. He assumes far too much for his own good.
My two cents. x
Joe said:
This is a very good analysis by Fjordman, found over at Gates of Vienna. One can't expect such levels of analysis from the so-called "professional" journalists.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/trial-of-anders-behring...
The ex-muslim Raymond Ibrahim draws out the jihadi influence on Breivik even better than Fjordman.
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/11600/the-jihadist-roots-of-the-norwa...
by Raymond Ibrahim
FrontPage Magazine
April 25, 2012
Anders Breivik, who went on a shooting spree in Norway last year, killing some 70 people, recently confessed his inspiration: al-Qaeda, the jihadists par excellence of the modern world.
According to AFP, "The gunman behind the Norway massacres said he was inspired by al-Qaida as he took the stand Tuesday [4/17] at his trial…. he described himself as a 'militant nationalist' and, using the pronoun 'we' to suggest he was part of a larger group, added: 'We have drawn from al-Qaida and militant Islamists. You can see al-Qaida as the most successful militant group in the world.'"
Not only was he "inspired" by al-Qaeda, but his very tactics mirrored those of the jihadist organization. According to the AP, Breivik testified "that he had planned to capture and decapitate" the former Norwegian Prime Minister, with the plan "to film the beheading and post the video on the Internet," adding that "he was inspired by al-Qaida's use of decapitation," which he described "as a very powerful psychological weapon."
In a globalized world where Islam has the lion's share of acts of terrorism—where nonstop images of jihadists killing and beheading people have metastasized in the media, and thus in the mind of the average person—discovering that al-Qaeda is Breivik's source of inspiration is, of course, not surprising.
But there is a more profound point here: Breivik is not the first non-Muslim to be "inspired" by Muslim notions; the Crusaders, for example, lived in an atmosphere thoroughly permeated and influenced by Islamic jihad, so much so that the very idea of Christian "holy war"—the use of violence and conquest in the name of Christianity—finds its ideological origins in jihad.
Emmet Scott, for instance, author of the new book Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited writes:
[I]n addition to some commentaries upon Aristotle, and a few scientific and technological concepts (which were not "Arab" inventions at all) Islam was to communicate to Europe a whole host of ideas and attitudes that were far from being enlightened. Most obviously, the concept of "holy war" [or jihad], which Europe adopted (admittedly somewhat reluctantly) in the eleventh century, was entirely an Islamic innovation (p. xx).
Earlier, historian Bernard Lewis wrote,
Even the Christian crusade, often compared with the Muslim jihad, was itself a delayed and limited response to the jihad and in part also an imitation…. [F]orgiveness for sins to those who fought in defence of the holy Church of God and the Christian religion and polity, and eternal life for those fighting the infidel: these ideas … clearly reflect the Muslim notion of jihad, and are precursors of the Western Christian Crusade.
For all that, Islamic ideologies did not pervert the foundations of Christianity. Lewis continues:
But unlike the jihad, it [the Crusade] was concerned primarily with the defense or reconquest of threatened or lost Christian territory.… The Muslim jihad, in contrast, was perceived as unlimited, as a religious obligation that would continue until all the world had either adopted the Muslim faith or submitted to Muslim rule.… The object of jihad is to bring the whole world under Islamic law.
The point here is that the earliest manifestations of the sort of terrorism initiated by Breivik are Islamic in origin. For instance, the medieval Hashashin—the archetypal terrorists who gave us the word "assassin"—were a Muslim sect that pioneered the use of fear, murder, and terror for political gain as early as the 11thcentury.
Even so, the media has inclined to focus on Breivik's fascination with Christian historical groups like the Knights Templar—without bothering to explain exactly how a military order devoted to protecting Christian pilgrims inspired Breivik to murder innocent Norwegian children. As one historian put it, the original Knights Templar, a "very devout people," would be "horrified" to be associated with Breivik.
Even more ironic, the Knights and Crusaders in general were frequently on the receiving end of the aforementioned Hashashin's terror campaign; that is, far from being inspirations for terrorism, the Knights Templar bore the brunt of one of the earliest manifestations of Islamic terrorism. Even CNN's Fareed Zakariacorrectly opined that in Breivik's distorted worldview, "the Knights Templar resembles nothing so much as al Qaeda."
In short, whereas Breivik's goals may have been anti-Islamic in nature, his actions, those things which we are rightly judged by—in this case, from terrorizing and killing the innocent, to planning video-recordings of beheadings—were jihadist in essence.
Even Breivik's references to the Knights Templar is just another instance of what Shirley Bassey describes as "history repeating". As the Knights Templars had to become militant in order to stop jihad, so Breivik sees himself adopting the tactics of the islamic terrorists in order to fight them and their enablers in the west.
Meanwhile our "academic" experts have completely failed to understand even the Crusades. They are simultaneously blinded by their euro-centrism whilst hating that that which they cannot see beyond. I guess if we were as blind as they, we might hate as they do.
Oh well, it seems that the media should now start interviewing Muslims and Jihadists for "inspiring" Breivik to attack and not the counter-jihadists who are only trying to defend the world from these mass murderers.
They were talking about "games" inspiring Breivik but failing to mention that it was Islam itself. Time to ban Islam, don't you think?
Maybe Brevik, like so many people who go through the prison system, will end up converting to islam. He could then attribute his killing spree to the need for jihad and the protection of islam. He would then become an over night hero.
It should be noted that Brevik is determined to be seen as sane. That is mad in itself. Most people who commit serious crime claim deminished responsibility, and the state trys to prove they were sane at the time of the crime so they can be prosicuted. This case is the oppersite.
Yes, this case is special because Breivik has literally sacrificed himself in order to bring awareness of the situation faced by so many of us all over the world. He chose to target the enablers, while we focus on exposing Islam. In reality both are part of the same struggle. There is absolutely no doubt that Breivik is sane. What irritates me the most is every time there is a horrendous crime, people claim to be "insane" and end up being "forgiven" for the crimes. Look at that Indian guy who paid a taxi driver to murder his wife in South Africa during their honeymoon. The man was gay. He did not want to marry his wife. And because he could not find a way out of this sham marriage without bringing his family into disrepute, he paid someone to murder her. Now he can't face trial in South Africa because:
a) He is insane
b) He is depressed
c) he is suffering some nervous breakdown. Oh please!! The man was not mad, insane, depressed or suffering any breakdowns when he calculatingly paid someone to murder his wife. So this "insanity" business is mostly a con on grounds on diminished responsibility.
Breivik shouldn't be wasting his time trying to prove he is sane, and it's not his duty either. They should be the ones able to prove that Breivik is insane. The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. He cannot prove a negative. No one can. How mentally defficient are these people? And these are the irrationals who are conducting a "trial" of murder? Jeez! G-d help us all. Do you now see what kind of people we have as leaders and "authorities" in our societies? Is it any wonder that the whole moral fabric of our societies have been destroyed?
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Questioned by his own lawyers about how he was able to carry out the attacks, Breivik described a "meditation" technique he had developed which mixed "Christian prayer" and Japanese "Bushido warrior codex" practised by Samurai fighters.
Breivik insisted on Friday he was a "nice person" capable of empathising with those whose lives he had ruined, but that he had chosen not to as a self-preservation technique. "In many ways it is a protection mechanism," he said. "First of all, if you are going to be capable of executing such a bloody and horrendous operation you need to work on your mind, your psyche, for years. We have seen from military traditions you cannot send an unprepared person into war."
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Why would an "insane" or "terrorist" want to do meditation in order to work himself up to a state where he could find the strength and stomach to kill? I don't think Muhammad or Bin Laden or any filthy sub-human Jihadi feels the need to meditate to achieve this degree of "aloofness" or lack of sensitivity in order to kill. They just go and kill. They just go and behead people as if this pretty normal to them, while Breivik has to work himself up to explode a bomb and kill a few people.
I know well what he is talking about. Killing is easy, the hard part is living with it afterwards, and this is why Breivik cannot allow himself to sympathize with the victims of his attacks no matter how much he wishes to. He cannot and does not want to regret his actions, as in his mind they had a purpose.
I agree with him that you (if you are a sane person) would have to work your mind up if you are going to do something as horrific as that. What I do not understand is how these Jihadis and other Muslims do what they do, i.e. mutilation, beheadings, acid attacks, child rape, female genital mutilation, honor killings, etc (which is by far a lot more horrific than what Breivik did)... as easy as they drink water, and they are never called insane, neither is their sick and fanatical cult criminalized. Instead WE are called "Islamophobic".
Why do they say a man who obviously had to take drugs, meditate and think like a Samurai in order to kill is "insane" when sub human beasts from Islam do worse than that on a daily basis and are considered "pious"?
This is a legacy from insane communists. These enablers are worse than the criminals themselves.
paul collings sa:
Maybe Brevik, like so many people who go through the prison system, will end up converting to islam. He could then attribute his killing spree to the need for jihad and the protection of islam. He would then become an over night hero.
It should be noted that Brevik is determined to be seen as sane. That is mad in itself. Most people who commit serious crime claim deminished responsibility, and the state trys to prove they were sane at the time of the crime so they can be prosicuted. This case is the oppersite.
Well spotted, Joe!
Joe said:
Anders Breivik moved to tears by his own propaganda movie: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/apr/16/breivik-cries-own...
Ken Livingstone moved to tears by his own propaganda movie: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/apr/11/ken-livingstone-tear...
What is it with maudlin ego-maniacs?
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