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Kuffarphobia in Pakistan & Bangladesh


Kuffarphobia in Pakistan & Bangladesh

पाकिस्तान के ईसाइयों के लिए, वर्तमान में इस्लामी कट्टरपंथियों से गहन हिंसा और उत्पीड़न पीड़ित

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For Pakistani Christians, currently suffering intense violence and persecution from Islamic fundamentalists.  Feel free to write in Urdu.

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Pakistan: Failed State

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe Jan 24, 2015. 3 Replies

Asia Bibi

Started by Kinana Jan 3, 2014. 0 Replies

Kill Me Here

Started by shiva May 24, 2012. 0 Replies

Burial of burned alive Christian (Wife raped)

Started by Indoeuropean. Last reply by Kinana Mar 31, 2011. 3 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton yesterday

Our values are our values, not theirs and never will be. Everyone thinks the world would be perfect if everybody was a clone of themselves. A culture will only really survive in the nation that created it, and only then if it seals its borders. Englishness among Pakistanis, tea and cricket, is completely alien to the englishness of the English. The generally accepted and evolved attitude towards women among English men is not the same as the one dominating Pakistani male values.

Trying to export democracy and our European values, that we evolved, is doomed to failure. Foreign cultures are precisely that- foreign. And have their own logical internal progression. Best left alone. It should be obvious to any thinker that multi-culturalism is a contradiction in itself. There can only be one culture in one place at one time.

Comment by Alan Lake yesterday

This is the society that "shares our values":

Pakistani teen ‘has hand chopped off’ for demanding salary (VIDEO)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on August 3, 2016 at 16:51
Comment by Philip Smeeton on July 4, 2016 at 16:55

“Educated and well-off, Dhaka attackers defy usual profile”

“Some had come from privileged backgrounds, had grown up loved and were educated in top schools. They had bright futures.”

“The young men, armed with knives, bombs and automatic firearms, engaged in a gun battle with police, killing two and wounding more, then seized a popular restaurant in a Dhaka neighborhood on Friday night and held some 35 people hostage. Over the next few hours, they would kill 20 of their captives — including nine Italians, seven Japanese, an Indian teenager and three students at American universities. A witness said some victims were tortured when they could not recite verses from the Quran.”

It is impossible to profile a muslim terrorist, they can come from any background and from anywhere. What they do have in common is that they are muslims and obey the teachings of Mohammed. Mohammed’s message is simple, kill anyone that is not a true muslim.

Comment by Antony on March 29, 2016 at 15:39
Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 7, 2016 at 11:57
Comment by Alan Lake on January 1, 2016 at 18:29

It must be about time we increased our foreign aid and charitable donations to them.  With all that rocket fuel required, they may not have any left for burning Christians alive.  After all, we wouldn't want to be accused of being mean, would we?

Pakistan test-fires its most advanced nuclear-capable ballistic missile

Comment by Alan Lake on June 10, 2015 at 20:40

Malala Yousafzai’s attackers secretly released by Pakistani court

Comment by paul collings on May 13, 2015 at 9:10

43 Killed in Bus attack. No one to blame. Certainly not Islam. Just a random attack by disenfranchised individuals i suppose.  Or the bus companies fault.

Comment by Antony on February 2, 2015 at 16:25

Pakistan - failed state or clever gambler?


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Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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