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Burial of burned alive Christian (Wife raped)

03/24/2010 21:08PAKISTAN [,-Christian-burned-alive-is-buried.-Police-suspected-of-setting-him-on-

Started by IndoeuropeanLatest Reply

Petition: Free Christian Hector Aleem, Human Rights Activist since 1996, now jailed and tortured

View Current Signatures   -   Sign the Petition SAVE MY FATHER HECTOR ALEEM   To:  Pakistan Government At a time that the United Natio…

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The slow genocide of minorities in Pakistan - by Farahnaz Ispahani

Slow genocide of minorities in Pakistan: Farahnaz Ispahani Farahnaz Ispahani. Photo: Pradeep Gaur/Mint 7 min read . Updated: 19 Jan 2016,…

Started by Alan Lake

0 May 25, 2021

Asia Bibi

(We lost the original forum for Asia Bibi, so please continue here with whatever new news appears) Pakistanis rally to demand death for Chr…

Started by Kinana

15 Feb 18, 2020
Reply by Kinana

Pakistan: Mob Burns Man to Death for Alleged ‘Blasphemy’ - ASSIST News Service Another depressingly familiar atrocity from the religion of peace. People still believ…

Started by Dave

9 Feb 6, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

Pakistan: Failed State

This is the TROP data showing Islamic Terror attacks since 9/11, focusing on Israel, India and Pakistan.   Consider how much news there is…

Started by Alan Lake

3 Jan 24, 2015
Reply by Joe

Pakistan’s Tyrannical Majority - NY Times

By MANAN AHMED ASIF Published: May 10, 2013 JUST after the stroke of midnight on Aug. 14, 1947, the Peshawar broadcast station of All India…

Started by Alan Lake

0 May 21, 2013

Pakistani Christian boy, 11, tortured, mutilated, burnt

Repost from RT   Human Liberation Commission of Pakistan activists shout slogans during a protest against alleged anti-Christian violence (…

Started by Mishe

0 Aug 27, 2012

Kill Me Here

Hindu girl tells Supreme Court she would rather die than convert to Islamby Jibran Khan Seized by an influential Muslim, with the "politica…

Started by shiva

0 May 24, 2012

Pakistan: Islamic Fascism Disguised as a Nation

Thanks to Antony for posting this.   I've been mulling over this very issue for the past year or so.  One of our community disguises himsel…

Started by Joe

1 Mar 31, 2012
Reply by Antony

Pakistan acid-attack doc wins Oscar, inspires debate

I wonder if they invited the poor women who's lives have been blighted to walk down the red carpet. Somehow, I think not. http://bikyamasr.…

Started by Joe

0 Feb 29, 2012

'Torture Cells' where Christian girls are raped and confined

SOS Pakistan: The Vatican raises the alarm over the Christian situation

Started by Kinana

4 Jan 25, 2012
Reply by Kinana


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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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