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Kuffarphobia in Pakistan & Bangladesh


Kuffarphobia in Pakistan & Bangladesh

पाकिस्तान के ईसाइयों के लिए, वर्तमान में इस्लामी कट्टरपंथियों से गहन हिंसा और उत्पीड़न पीड़ित

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For Pakistani Christians, currently suffering intense violence and persecution from Islamic fundamentalists.  Feel free to write in Urdu.

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 16, 2017 at 9:35

How many Pakistanis are there in Britain practicing their culture?

As none of them have any real respect for our laws and customs, you could rightly claim that they are all a bunch of criminals. Compared to the natives that mostly respect the law. 

From the prosecutions I have noticed reported in the press and from my personal encounters I can say: false bankruptcies, dirty restaurants closed then re-opened elsewhere, organised buying and selling of smuggler goods, theft, welfare fraud, tax evasion, assault and robbery, murder and rape, sexual and physical abuse of minors(more than the natives), wife beating, honour killings, terror bombing and planning attempts, a hostile attitude from the mosques and muslims in general, places not safe to be in. All in all cheating and disrespect that they among themselves find totally justifiable. Now, why should we be required to accept this?

Most of this was non-existent 50 years ago.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 16, 2017 at 3:22

Imam Divorces Eighth wife After she Catches him red-Handed with Minor Inside Mosque

7Oct 12, 2017Source:

An imam from Punjab has divorced his eighth wife after she caught him red-handed sodomizing a minor inside the mosque in Burewala city of Punjab.

Mussarat Bibi, who hails from neighboring Habib Colony, was married to Qari Muhammad Aslam some 15 years ago.

Aslam is an imam at Gulshan Raza Town mosque and an Arabic teacher at the city’s Govt. MC Model High School.

Mussarat told the media that she was his fifth wife, but Aslam “who can’t overcome his lust for sex” married two more women without her consent under the pretext of “giving them shelter”.

Both the other women were divorced by Aslam, but Mussarat stayed with him due to her poor finances.

Two months ago, however, she caught him red-handed while sodomizing a madrassa student inside the mosque where Aslam teaches. She was badly beaten by the imam who threatened her to keep her mouth shut over the sexual abuse.

Although the woman kept mum about the immoral act, Aslam divorced her five days later.

Mussarat says she reached Model Town Police Station and filed a complaint against him, but no legal action has been taken so far.

She further maintains that Aslam is involved in usury (Ribah or Sood which is strictly prohibited in Islam); and has made millions with several properties in the city.

In his defense, Qari Aslam stated that he did not carry out any unIslamic acts by marrying multiple women because “Islam allows a man to marry as many wives as he can afford.”

Aslam told the media that he had divorced Mussarat for other reasons: “she blackmailed me and wanted to occupy my property”.

He also denied sodomizing a minor and other allegations.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on October 15, 2017 at 16:38

Report: Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal could become the world’s third-biggest.

It is only a matter of time before islamists get their finger on the nuclear button and push it. There has to be a connection between Pakistan and Iran on nuclear arms developement.

Comment by Alan Lake on October 15, 2017 at 15:29
This terrorist country is our partner against terrorism. This lawless country is where we import thugs from, to rape and groom the children of Rotherham. This disrespectable country, has nuclear tipped missiles.
Comment by Kinana on October 15, 2017 at 14:54

Muslims doing what they do.  These Christians (and all non-Muslims) must be 'made to feel subdued', i.e. Terrorised (Quran 9:29)

Watch: Pakistani Muslims burn and destroy Christian Church in Mardan, Pakistan.

Comment by Kinana on June 13, 2017 at 22:33
Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 1, 2017 at 9:50

Lady Justice was removed just because she was a woman. They should have replaced it with with a statue of a turbaned executioner scimitar raised, surrounded by chopped off hands and heads.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 31, 2017 at 20:51

All symbols mean something.  But try telling that to the modern SJW.  Only the nazi ones mean anything to them.

‘Un-Islamic’ Lady Justice statue reinstalled in Bangladesh after protests led to removal

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 22, 2017 at 9:48

Our values are our values, not theirs and never will be. Everyone thinks the world would be perfect if everybody was a clone of themselves. A culture will only really survive in the nation that created it, and only then if it seals its borders. Englishness among Pakistanis, tea and cricket, is completely alien to the englishness of the English. The generally accepted and evolved attitude towards women among English men is not the same as the one dominating Pakistani male values.

Trying to export democracy and our European values, that we evolved, is doomed to failure. Foreign cultures are precisely that- foreign. And have their own logical internal progression. Best left alone. It should be obvious to any thinker that multi-culturalism is a contradiction in itself. There can only be one culture in one place at one time.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 22, 2017 at 6:50

This is the society that "shares our values":

Pakistani teen ‘has hand chopped off’ for demanding salary (VIDEO)


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