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Comment by Joe on February 8, 2017 at 8:14

I have a low opinion of Chatham House and "Prof" Goodwin. But here you go.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think...

Comment by Joe on September 11, 2015 at 8:09

It suggests misconceptions about migration and other cultures are rife, fuelled by distorted views about the number of immigrants living in the UK.

The study, conducted by Show Racism The Red Card, found that more than one in four (28 per cent) of the almost 6,000 pupils questioned believe that jobs being taken by foreign workers might stop them reaching their goals.

And more than a third (35 per cent) agreed or partly agreed with the statement "Muslims are taking over England".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/578401/Immigrants-stealing-jobs-Mu...

Even The rabid right-wing Express cannot stop from editorializing when commenting on this (Leftist-funded) survey.  Distorted views about how many immigrants are in the UK? There are 8 million. Almost 1:10 people are immigrants (and that does not count those children & grandchildren of immigrants).  Only 80% of the population are "White British".

Never mind that these kids can see with their own eyes that whilst muslims are (officially) 5% of the UK population, probably 40% of kids in English schools are muslims.  These kids probably hear their parents talking (accurately) about how they go for jobs, they are up against immigrants from all over.

I really would prefer to take moral advice from a prostitute than from a journalist.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 30, 2015 at 4:53
Funny isnt it? The leftards complain bitterly about the US forcing Guantanamo detainees to wear orange jump suits, but when ISIS do it, its ok.

I guess I just dont understand fashion.
Comment by paul collings on May 29, 2015 at 17:17

http://t.co/Z03lC8VmV8

Al Jizz Arabic Poll shows 81% support for ISIS.

Comment by Joe on May 22, 2014 at 12:14
Comment by paul collings on May 8, 2014 at 16:22

This is a poll taken on the MSN homepage.

Looks like most people don't want to eat Halal. The ones who say they want food labelling must want that so they can choose not to eat Religiously slaughtered food.

How do you feel about eating meat that has been slaughtered to meet religious requirements?

  1.  
    22 %
    I have no problem with this - meat is meat
    4,836 votes
  2.  
    31 %
    I want know what I'm eating - products should be clearly labelled
    6,920 votes
  3.  
    44 %
    I don't want to eat this type of meat
    9,589 votes
  4.  
    3 %
    I would choose to eat this type of meat
    654 votes
Comment by Alan Lake on August 24, 2013 at 23:56

Yes, it TUMBLES, it veritably COLLAPSES to a measly, poxy, tiny, (as in minority of dangerous Muslims?) figure of just 48%

BTW, the other 52% were too busy watching tv or looking for a job to bother reading the news or answering the poll.

Comment by Joe on August 24, 2013 at 15:34

Whereas expectations of a future clash between Muslims and non-Muslims are especially pronounced among citizens aged 60 and above (at 70%), among 18- to 24-year-olds this figure tumbles to 48%.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/26/public-attitude-muslims-c...

The Guardian seems to think those figures are optimistic.  They are so clueless about the age distribution of muslims and immigrants in Britain.

Basically, almost 50% of those under the age of 24 accept there is going to be a civil war between muslims and non-muslims in Britain.  That makes such a clash almost inevitable.

 

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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