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Fightback by Demonstration


Fightback by Demonstration

Documentation of demonstrations and other public protests in defence of the 4 freedoms.

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About This Room

Its difficult to find all the relevant material for the various counter-Sharia movements, and some items like Youtube videos, are deliberately 'hidden' by opposing groups using misleading search tags. Hence this room is to collect these records for historical and research purposes, for everyone concerned, including both journalists and activists.

As regards members of 4F, by all means post brief corrections to these reports as comments, but if you wish to start a lengthy discussion, its best to do it elsewhere, like in the UK Room, so that this room can simply act as an objective records repository.

Discussion Forum

Tommy Robinson in Dresden Pegida Rally October 2016

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Oct 16, 2016. 1 Reply

Tommy Robinson in Prague

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Sep 28, 2016. 1 Reply

PEGIDA UK - Collected Articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 11, 2016. 2 Replies

Mainstream Media Reports on EDL

Started by Netcon. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 15, 2015. 7 Replies

Alternative Media Reports on EDL

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by William Richard Baker Aug 1, 2011. 6 Replies

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Comment by Kinana on February 24, 2017 at 8:10

EDL demo tomorrow at Rotherham

Comment by paul collings on November 27, 2015 at 14:22

Demonstrations against Islam in Poland. 

Comment by Alan Lake on January 20, 2013 at 8:03

A good explanation of how modern journalism works, using Twitter, Google Maps and Facebook.

Comment by Albert on February 20, 2011 at 3:03
I believe this cartoon explains the Jimmy Carter story to a tee.
Comment by Alan Lake on February 19, 2011 at 5:49
Precisely.  And I can't believe, after crying on the tarmac after his embassy hostage fiasco in Iran, that he still dares show his face and be active in the political sphere, dreaming of 'doing good' but just causing a mess, as usual.  The man has no shame!
Comment by Albert on February 18, 2011 at 22:59

Jimmy Carter says that group dedicated to "eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within" is "not anything to be afraid of"

This is perfectly understandable, given the fact that Carter himself gave four of the best years of his life to the work of eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within: January 20, 1977 to January 20, 1981.

"Carter says Egyptian military likely to obey will of people," by Collin Eaton for the American-Statesman, February 15:

"I think the Muslim Brotherhood is not anything to be afraid of in the upcoming (Egyptian) political situation and the evolution I see as most likely," Carter said. "They will be subsumed in the overwhelming demonstration of desire for freedom and true democracy."

The Muslim Brothers "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions." -- "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Bro...," by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991.

Carter's problem is one he shares with numerous American analysts: he assumes that the Egyptian people are all Jeffersonians in potencia, just waiting for their chance to establish a pluralistic multiparty democracy guaranteeing equality of rights for all. It never seems to occur to him, or to any of the other analysts who assume this, that what one person may mean by "freedom" may be quite different from what another person means by it. It may be -- indeed, it is likely -- that many Egyptians who speak of "freedom" mean freedom to implement Sharia fully in their society, and "democracy" as the means to that end.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 13, 2010 at 5:32

sorry, too busy to do it right now, not enough hands!!

Comment by Pat McCrann on December 11, 2010 at 11:30

I have some press cuttings I collected on the press around the Peterborough visit by EDL. Is this the right place to post it up when I get the chance? And also...

Tha Grenadier said... were are the speechess for Peterbourough

Yeah. Where are they?

Comment by Tha Grenadier on December 10, 2010 at 21:53

were are the speechess for Peterbourough

Comment by peterpedant on March 24, 2010 at 16:45
On the subject of social cohesion, British muslims are so uniformly and strongly anti-gay It's quite an amazing phenomenon really. Gallup did a survey of 500 randomly selected muslims, and not a single one supported gay rights. That's very unusual for a mainstream survey.

Surveys show that virtually 100% of British muslims believe homosexual acts are morally unacceptable, and 61% believe homosexuality should be illegal. Imagine the outcry if one our slogans was "61% of British people want to see islam criminalized".

36% of 16-24 year olds believe if a Muslim converts to another religion they should be punished by death.

This is no 'tiny minority' as we are always erroniously led to beleive - this is a significant minority; and the trend shows an increase in the radical mindset of born and bred 'Brits" compared to the first generation of immigrants.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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