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Written by Kinana and delivered by Snowy of the EDL to the rally in Dudley on Saturday 3 April 2010


‘No New Mosque Here’

Dudley, 3 April 2010

The English Defence League is here to support the petition and people who do not want a new £18 million super mosque built in Hall Street central Dudley.

We understand that our support is not welcomed by the Local Council and all four political parties represented on the Council.  Among other things they call our presence here an ‘unnecessary demonstration.’ 

But obviously they need help because approval in principle has been given for the building of the Mosque against the wishes of the councillors themselves and over the heads of many of the local people.

This is a case of disenfranchisement at the highest level in our society.  The local people, through their councilors, have spoken and have been ignored by the Central Government’s planning inspectorate.

The Channel 4 program, Undercover Mosque, showed that Mosques were used throughout this country for preaching jihad, and separation from, not integration with, the non-Muslim community.

However, our opposition to the new Mosque should not be seen as an attack on the local Muslims in Dudley.  We make no judgment on them but we have an obligation to look at the larger picture and so too do local and central government. 

Islam is a belief system with an international following.  Therefore, decisions about local Mosques and how society benefits or not, need to be considered in light of a longer history and wider geography.  If such a view is taken, a very disturbing role of the mosque in the life of these communities emerges.

I would like to share two quotes by people who know a thing or two about Islam.

“Mehrab [or Mosque] means [a] place of war, the place of fighting.  Out of the Mosques, wars should proceed.  Just as all the wars of Islam proceeded out of the Mosques.  The prophet had [a] sword to kill people.  Our Holy Imams were quite militants.  All of them were warriors.  They used to wield swords.  They used to kill people.  We need a Caliph who would chop hands, cut throats, stone people.  In the way that the messenger of Allah used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people.”

This quote is from Ayatollah Khomeini, 1981, on the commemoration of the birth of Mohammed.

The second quote is from the Prime Minister of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan who publicly read an Islamic poem including the lines: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and Muslims our soldiers…”

The plans for the local Mosque include a minaret 65 ft high which would tower over the town and residents of Dudley.  If this minaret becomes a reality all who fall under its shadow or view it from afar should remember these quotes.

A further cause of our anger is the obvious lack of reciprocity in Muslim majority countries.  Muslims in the West can build mosques here, often with money from rich Muslim countries in the Middle East, but the building of Christian churches is denied in many Muslim majority countries.  This lack of equality must stop. 

A new Mosque will, of course, facilitate the teachings of Islam and therefore the promotion of Sharia law.  We reject this outcome and these efforts.  We know where it will lead.

Until we see an Islam that totally rejects the teaching of the domination of Muslims over Non-Muslims, and rejects Sharia law we must error on the side of caution and say:

No new Mosque in Dudley -- No new Mosques anywhere in England!

No Surrender to Sharia -- in any shape or form!

May God bless and guide our efforts,

God bless the Queen!


Tags: Ayatollah Khomeini, Dudley, EDL, Kinana

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Excellent speech.


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