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It takes a nation to protect the nation

I am Tommy Robinson.  

As leader of the English Defence League I stand here today to say Happy Birthday to all of us!  We are one year old next month and continue to spread like a wild fire!  We are young but growing in numbers, experience and maturity.

Currently there are about 200 EDL divisions in this country.  Feel your strength!  Take confidence in each other.  Know that you are not alone.  You are part of a great tidal wave of protest and patriotism that will save this country.

Let me say a word about my disguise.  It is a sign that we are not yet free to be free in this country.  But someday we will all be able to respect freedom of speech without being the target of violence and threats of violence.  As you know, freedom of speech is a sham when it comes to almost any criticism of Islam.  For those who criticise our security arrangements I ask them to just think of Theo Van Gogh who was murdered in 2004.

In the early days, in the midst of the abuse from counter demonstrators, the media and politicians (all of which continue today) I asked myself who will defend this country?  When push comes to shove, who will actually defend this country?  Who will put their life on the line for this country?  The answer that came to me was this:  It is the people around me, the people here and now, the ordinary people of this country who have risen up and are continuing to stand up to say enough is enough.  I include, of course, our brave soldiers who suffer and die in far away lands who then come back to this country having learned a thing or two about Sharia law.

Our society is under threat because our tolerance and our generosity towards those of other countries and cultures are being used by intolerant people, in order to promote intolerance.  This is a weakness in our society which can be exploited by them for only so long.  Our work is to address that weakness and eliminate it.

We celebrate our movement today to free this country from the practice and growth of Sharia law and other manifestations of a foreign ideology.

We say: No to Sharia, no to special privileges based on religion and belief systems, no to special laws to protect almighty Allah from the same scrutiny and even humour that the Christian God and Jewish God receives.  The God of the Christians and Jews I believe can take a joke or two, but poor ole Allah and Mohammed need defending from films, jokes and cartoons!  How weak and pathetic is that?  Ayatollah Khomeini has said there are no jokes in Islam.  ‘What sort of joker is he,’ I thought.

Our message since the beginning is that we are peacefully protesting against militant Islam.  We will continue to do just that until the threat from Muslims who wish to impose Sharia law on this green and pleasant land disappear completely.  Our children deserve no less from us.

We carry this message on all our marches and, if need be, we will shout it from the rooftops.  There is one rooftop in Dudley that has the distinction of becoming a platform for our message and we have Leon and Snowy to thank for that.  Thank you Leon and Snowy!

Sometimes I think this country has fallen down a rabbit hole with Alice into Wonderland.  Recently a special immigration court said two men were al-Qaeda operatives - but that they could not be deported because they faced torture or death back in their home in Pakistan.

I believe that they have forsaken their right to appeal to their human rights when they deny human rights to the people in this country!

On 5 March we went to London to support one of the most courageous politicians in Europe today, Geert Wilders.  We hope the Dutch people vote him in as the Dutch Prime minister on 6 June.  However, we look in vain for similar courage among our politicians in this country.  But we cannot stop and wait for them.  We will act and continue to show the people in power that we love this country and will not allow it to be destroyed by militant Islam.

Together we will achieve this great victory!

May God bless and guide our efforts,

God bless the Queen!


Written by Kinana and delivered by Tommy Robinson of the EDL to the rally in Newcastle on Saturday 29 May 2010 

Tags: EDL, Geert Wilders, Kinana, Newcastle

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the reference to the al-Qaeda operatives can be found here
'Al-Qaeda ringleader' wins appeal against deportation

MI5 alleged Abid Naseer wrote coded e-mails to an al-Qaeda member
The alleged leader of an al-Qaeda plot to bomb targets in north-west England has won his appeal against deportation.
A special immigration court said Abid Naseer was an al-Qaeda operative - but could not be deported because he faced torture or death back home in Pakistan.
Mr Naseer, 23, was one of 10 Pakistani men arrested last April as part of a massive counter-terrorism operation in Liverpool and Manchester.
Student Ahmad Faraz Khan, also 23, won his appeal on similar grounds.
The security services believed the men were planning to attack within days of their arrest, but neither was charged.
'Security risk'
The Human Rights Act prevents people from being sent back to places where they would be "subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".
The coalition government announced on Tuesday that it would be creating a Human Rights Commission to review the legislation and consider if changes were needed.
The Home Secretary, Theresa May, said she would not be appealing against the ruling, handed down by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac).

The men's lawyer Gareth Peirce says the ruling was 'not acceptable'
She said: "We are disappointed that the court has ruled that Abid Naseer and Ahmad Faraz Khan should not be deported to Pakistan, which we were seeking on national security grounds.
"As the court agreed, they are a security risk to the UK. We are now taking all possible measures to ensure they do not engage in terrorist activity."
Altogether five men - who had been tracked by MI5 before the raids last year - were appealing against deportation.
Much of the detail in the case was presented to Siac - a court which deals with such cases - in secret during the past three weeks.
Lawyer Gareth Peirce, who represented Mr Nazeer and Mr Khan said the ruling was the "worst of all possible worlds" because her clients were flagged up as being involved in terrorism based on evidence "one is not told".
She said: "It's no way to conduct justice. If people have committed a crime, put them on trial."

By Dominic Casciani, BBC home affairs correspondent
This judgement shines a public light on the difference between intelligence assessments and hard evidence - with the tribunal concluding that MI5 was on the right side of the line.
Its conclusions will be regarded by security and police chiefs as a vindication of their assessment that there was a plot, even though detectives never found a bomb and the men were never charged with an offence.
Abid Naseer and Ahmad Faraz Khan will be added to the list of other suspects in similar situations - men who are unwanted by the UK but, simultaneously, cannot be deported because they could be tortured.
The home secretary's answer for some suspects is to place them under a control order, a form of house arrest that restricts their movements.
Both men may fight on. The new government, meanwhile, has had a taste of the realities of counter-terrorism judgement calls - and the legal duty of courts to protect suspects from harm.
Political Editor Nick Robinson: Human rights and wrongs

The ruling effectively means that MI5's case against the two men has been supported by the courts even though neither of them was ever charged with a criminal offence.

But Abdul Wahab Khan, 27, and Tariq Ur Rehman, 38, who were also arrested at the time, lost their deportation appeals.
They had already returned to Pakistan.
Mr Justice Mitting said they were committed Islamists who knew of Mr Naseer's plan.
But student Shoaib Khan, however, won his appeal, with the court saying there was no evidence of wrongdoing against him.
His lawyer Amjad Malik told the BBC that his 31-year-old client, who is also currently in Pakistan, wanted to return to the UK to resume his studies.
In his judgement, the judge said Mr Naseer was sending e-mails to a contact in Pakistan - and that the recipient was an "al-Qaeda operative".
The e-mails were said to be at the heart of the plot and culminated in a message sent to Pakistan in April 2009 in which Mr Naseer said he had set a date to marry, something MI5 said was code for an attack date.
"We are satisfied that Naseer was an al-Qaeda operative who posed and still poses a serious threat to the national security of the United Kingdom," the judgement said.
It added: "Subject to the issue of safety on return, it is conducive to the public good that he should be deported."
The judge said Ahmad Faraz Khan had become a "knowing party" to the plan because he had "undergone a radical change in view" between leaving home and studying in the UK.
But in both cases, Mr Justice Mitting said it was impossible to return the men to Pakistan.
"There is a long and well-documented history of disappearances, illegal detention and of the torture and ill-treatment of those detained, usually to produce information, a confession or compliance," said the judgement.


Abid Naseer: In prison under immigration powers
Faraz Khan: Bailed to a secret location, movements restricted
Tariq ur Rehman: Voluntarily returned to Pakistan
Abdul Wahab Khan: Voluntarily returned to Pakistan
Shoaib Khan (cleared): Voluntarily returned to Pakistan but wants to resume studies in UK

Manchester terror plot: The e-mails
Operation Pathway: What happened

The government's independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, the Liberal Democrat peer Lord Carlile, said: "We do not want people who have been held to be terrorists walking our streets. We therefore have to start looking for a different way of dealing with individual cases."
He said he hoped the government would look at ways of ensuring people would be treated properly if they were returned to their native countries.
BBC political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg said Cabinet Office Minister Francis Maude had suggested the coalition government would, for now, retain the Human Rights Act.
This is despite a promise in the Conservative manifesto to replace it with "a British Bill of Rights".
The BBC's home affairs editor Mark Easton said the it was likely that a control order would be used to restrict the movement and activities of the two men and to keep them under constant watch, although ministers would be unable to confirm this.
Imminent attack
Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights group Liberty, said terror suspects needed a fair trial while those convicted "should be sent to secure prisons, not put on planes to face torture or make more trouble elsewhere."
The controversial affair began last April when the Metropolitan Police's then head of counter-terrorism, Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick, inadvertently revealed details of the investigation.
Mr Quick resigned after he was photographed carrying clearly visible secret documents outside 10 Downing Street.
Police brought their operation forward and raided a series of locations across Liverpool, Manchester and Lancashire, eventually detaining 11 men.

CCTV shows police breaking down the door of a property in Manchester
Ten of them were from Pakistan, who were all either close friends or loosely known to each other.
Mr Quick told the BBC that at the time officials feared an imminent attack.
But no explosives were found and all of the men were released without charge after two weeks.
They were immediately detained again under immigration laws after the then home secretary sought their deportation, saying they were still a threat to national security.


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